RE: I can feel your anger
July 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(July 12, 2012 at 5:26 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Exactly, why claim not A?
We're not claiming 'not A'. We're not claiming 'A'. There's a difference. I don't believe you have $40 in your left front pocket. That doesn't mean I believe you don't have $40 in your left front pocket.
(July 12, 2012 at 3:30 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Of course, I know atheists claim not to claim, you only reject any claims to do with gods. I don't know if this is a disingenuous tactic, or something you consider to be a valid approach towards assessing what could be.
It seems to work well for everything else. How about you give us the benefit of the doubt and assume we haven't all conspired to project a disengenuous tactic?
(July 12, 2012 at 3:30 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: The base assumption of the atheist is only that which has been observed/measured exists.
Sigh. No. No...the base assumption of the rational skeptic is that we don't have a sound reason to believe that things we haven't observed, at least indirectly, exist. We have good reasons to believe that things we haven't observed yet do exist, but we don't know they do until we observe them. Flying penguins may exist, but it makes no sense to believe they do exist until there is evidence for them, so we don't believe in flying penguins.
Consider this. You made some deal out of saying 'I don't know' and claim that we're saying 'we do know'. Those are perfectly good answers to a question about whether you know something. However, it is a piss-poor answer to 'Do you believe X?' If you don't know if you believe, you don't believe. To believe something is to hold it as true. If you don't know if it is true, or at least think it is probably true, you don't believe it is true. We don't know if there is a God (speaking for the agnostic atheists). We don't believe there is a God. There is no contradiction between those two statements.
