[quote='Brian37' pid='309268' dateline='1342105283']
[quote]It was ALWAYS BAD. It did benefit those who utilized it for resource gain, but just because something benefits someone doesn't make it moral, it just means it was used. [/quote]Then have you renounced your modern life style? Do you own anything produced in China, taiwan, Inda, Korea, or Mexico? Can you show that nothing you own has peices or parts assembled by slaves? If not does that make you a hypocrite or a fool?
Because you are living a life supplement by slave labor and yet denounce it.
[quote]If not all slavery is bad, please provide me ONE example, back then or now, where any human would say to themselves "I'd love to be owned and abused by another human". [/quote] modern slaves are often own by corperations now. They set up factories and company stores and apartments where the cost of living is often times higher than what can be made by one or two members of the family. This way they get the whole family (kids too) In exchange they provide everything needed including food, health care, housing, education, transportation, infant care, social activities, and entertainment. People are free to come and go as they please so long as you do not owe the company any money. If you do you must first work it off. The thing is it cost too much to live there to ever 'work off your debt.'
So when do people look to get into places like this? When the alternitive is living in a box, and going to land fills for your dinner. I knew a guy who worked at a place like this and even though it was bad he said people were lined up to get in.
But none of these people are dark skinned enough to matter so I guess you all are right and this is not really slavery, and it is ok to benfit from their 'work.'
[quote]Immoral acts can benefit someone, but having a benefit does not equate to morality.[/quote]'MORALITY IS NOT A REAL STANDARD!!!" How many times must I prove that 'morality' is nothing more than a collective social consciencousness.. Which is Great if you live in 1940's America, but not so good if you were a Jew in 1940's Germany.
"Morality" is trivial set of rules devised by the ruling class.
[quote]Slavery is never and was never good for the individual it has always been immoral. There is a huge difference between a butler in a Mansion who has the right to quit his job, and someone who is chased down and punished and or murdered for trying to leave their captors. [/quote]Brain washed.
[quote]Kinda like your god claim itself. I am not a willing part of his deal. I have no say in the final outcome. I cant say "hey dude, I don't want to go to heaven or hell" And I had no choice in being born for that matter. Please explain to me where my consent and my wishes are under my ultimate control. As a concept, as a claim, your pet deity is a slave owner. [/quote]what?
[quote]If humans should not be owned, and we both agree that we should not be owned, then our brains should not be owned either, [/quote]
You persume too much
[quote]It was ALWAYS BAD. It did benefit those who utilized it for resource gain, but just because something benefits someone doesn't make it moral, it just means it was used. [/quote]Then have you renounced your modern life style? Do you own anything produced in China, taiwan, Inda, Korea, or Mexico? Can you show that nothing you own has peices or parts assembled by slaves? If not does that make you a hypocrite or a fool?
Because you are living a life supplement by slave labor and yet denounce it.
[quote]If not all slavery is bad, please provide me ONE example, back then or now, where any human would say to themselves "I'd love to be owned and abused by another human". [/quote] modern slaves are often own by corperations now. They set up factories and company stores and apartments where the cost of living is often times higher than what can be made by one or two members of the family. This way they get the whole family (kids too) In exchange they provide everything needed including food, health care, housing, education, transportation, infant care, social activities, and entertainment. People are free to come and go as they please so long as you do not owe the company any money. If you do you must first work it off. The thing is it cost too much to live there to ever 'work off your debt.'
So when do people look to get into places like this? When the alternitive is living in a box, and going to land fills for your dinner. I knew a guy who worked at a place like this and even though it was bad he said people were lined up to get in.
But none of these people are dark skinned enough to matter so I guess you all are right and this is not really slavery, and it is ok to benfit from their 'work.'
[quote]Immoral acts can benefit someone, but having a benefit does not equate to morality.[/quote]'MORALITY IS NOT A REAL STANDARD!!!" How many times must I prove that 'morality' is nothing more than a collective social consciencousness.. Which is Great if you live in 1940's America, but not so good if you were a Jew in 1940's Germany.
"Morality" is trivial set of rules devised by the ruling class.
[quote]Slavery is never and was never good for the individual it has always been immoral. There is a huge difference between a butler in a Mansion who has the right to quit his job, and someone who is chased down and punished and or murdered for trying to leave their captors. [/quote]Brain washed.
[quote]Kinda like your god claim itself. I am not a willing part of his deal. I have no say in the final outcome. I cant say "hey dude, I don't want to go to heaven or hell" And I had no choice in being born for that matter. Please explain to me where my consent and my wishes are under my ultimate control. As a concept, as a claim, your pet deity is a slave owner. [/quote]what?
[quote]If humans should not be owned, and we both agree that we should not be owned, then our brains should not be owned either, [/quote]
You persume too much
