RE: Where's the Justice?
July 13, 2012 at 5:46 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm by Undeceived.)
(July 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:1 John 4:8-12 answers, "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us."(July 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Our obedience should be out of love.Why?
Quote:Your son of god concept is not my partner or lover.Spouses and parents are metaphors for the depth of love that could exist between us and God. They are to help us understand a relationship high above our comprehension.
(July 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:If He only wanted our bodies, we could be robots, or plants, or natural systems. God does not need us to do anything for Him because He is all powerful. He gave us free will for the one thing He cannot force upon us: love. A meaningful relationship. If I in a position of authority say to you, "Do this or else," would you ever love me? No, you will obey only out of fear. There is no lasting satisfaction in fear. Look at any tyrant in history. When they strike fear in their subjects, they become paranoid. They are never content and always want more, but the world can only give them so much. In contrast, the poorest people with the closest families are happier.(July 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm)Undeceived Wrote: God wants our mind and soul, not our bodies.Why?
(July 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:I don't know why God chooses to love us (thoughts: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-love.html ). He shouldn't, because we don't deserve it. As Romans 5:7-8 says, "Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Our debt is the punishment for our wrongdoing. The penalty for one sin is death. In order for God the judge to remain perfectly just, he could not forgive us this debt without someone taking the sentence for us--an "atoning sacrifice"--a redeemer who did not commit the same crime. Since Jesus is God, He was able to to die once for all humankind. 1 Peter 3:18 explains, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit." And Romans 5:15, "For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!"(July 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Christ shows love for us first, by paying our debtWhy? And what debt?
Quote:Death is just the end of the process of life. People are still dying. What is your point?With Jesus, our death will no longer be eternal. The death we have now is only a means of passing from this life into the next in heaven.