RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
July 16, 2012 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2012 at 10:57 am by spockrates.)
(July 16, 2012 at 12:42 am)cato123 Wrote: My feeble attempt to use the English language to describe your pathology didn't work.
Therefore I give you this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFyHTU8tg_0
I'd gladly play Clouseau to your Cato!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8QrOAgh...detailpage
(July 16, 2012 at 9:58 am)ElDinero Wrote:(July 16, 2012 at 8:14 am)spockrates Wrote: Not sure I understand. Augustus lived until 19 August, AD 14, so Herod was alive during the Emperor's census.
Min already explained it in his original post. Quirinus was made governor in 6AD and Herod died in 4BC. Therefore it couldn't have taken place while both were in power, as those times were mutually exclusive.
The census would likely have taken several years to complete. Why could it not have taken place during the reign of both governors--beginning with one and ending with the other?
(July 16, 2012 at 2:02 am)FallentoReason Wrote: spockrates, how about this one? It's not a contradiction but rather a complete misunderstanding between Gospel authors.
Mark 11 contains the part about Jesus and the fig tree:
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This all came from Hosea 9 which refers to the destruction of Israel:
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Matthew then reads this about the fig tree but doesn't understand why Mark wrote about Jesus going to inspect a tree that was out of season. It must have seemed rather absurd. So to fix that up he turns this event into a standard party trick to amaze his 12 zodia--I mean Apostles:
Matthew 21:18,19 Wrote:18 Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
As one can see, the allegory is completely lost. From Matthew's account we can no longer make the comparison between Hosea 9 and understand that Mark was referring to the destruction of Israel.
I guess to me this is a contradiction after all. The contradiction being between the authors. Why does it seem like Mark is not writing history but merely referencing the OT but then only to have Matthew write a completely different 'account of history'? Did they believe in the same things here?? Seems to me like they didn't. If my interpretation is right then it can be assumed that Mark knew Jesus wasn't a historical figure and Matthew was once again trying to force Mark into being literal history by writing similar accounts and losing the allegory.
Thanks FTR. I don't yet see the disagreement between the two authors. Both explain that Jesus caused the tree to wither. Neither mentions Hosea, nor explains a symbolic meaning of the miracle, nor even mentions that there is any metaphor to be gleaned from the event. Please explain.
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
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