RE: Advice needed: My philosophical position is destroying my relationships
September 7, 2009 at 7:55 am
Good idea Arcanus!
Well basically I was giving her a tour of Prague and explaining the Astronomical clock and saying how the old view of the universe worked based on Astrology and saying that we know that's silly (Earth at the centre, constellations are fixed on an invisible sphere rotating not too far out in space etc.). She believed in astrology (which was bad enough; normally I wouldn't go out with a girl THAT silly to be honest) and I told her straight that it's just wrong and that anyone of any sign can find the predictions she reads to be true if they wanted it bad enough. She brought up religion from this and I also told her my frank belief that it's unfounded, ridiculous and inconsistent. I understand the faith argument, because I used to be Christian, but frankly I grew up and don't need Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Jesus etc. watching over me to make sure I do the right thing.
She said that I didn't have an open mind; that everyone has the right to believe what they want. I agreed, but still said that believing in religion is plain wrong based on the facts, and you could theoretically believe in anything as ridiculous or more based on the argument that believing is enough.
The argument seemed to mostly be about misunderstanding respect for people's beliefs. I don't think she got what I was trying to say. People can believe what they want, but I can be as sure that it's wrong as I am that the invisible pink unicorn or flying spaghetti monster isn't real. She seemed to think I was implying that nobody has a right to their beliefs since I was so boldly saying that it's wrong. She implied greater moral superiority in accepting all beliefs even though there are plenty of non-religious things she strongly disagrees with and would equally say those people are wrong.
This is my philosophical point and I'd really like to find a better way to say what I want to say truthfully without actually plainly saying "you are wrong"... I didn't actually say those words, but as good as.
Well basically I was giving her a tour of Prague and explaining the Astronomical clock and saying how the old view of the universe worked based on Astrology and saying that we know that's silly (Earth at the centre, constellations are fixed on an invisible sphere rotating not too far out in space etc.). She believed in astrology (which was bad enough; normally I wouldn't go out with a girl THAT silly to be honest) and I told her straight that it's just wrong and that anyone of any sign can find the predictions she reads to be true if they wanted it bad enough. She brought up religion from this and I also told her my frank belief that it's unfounded, ridiculous and inconsistent. I understand the faith argument, because I used to be Christian, but frankly I grew up and don't need Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Jesus etc. watching over me to make sure I do the right thing.
She said that I didn't have an open mind; that everyone has the right to believe what they want. I agreed, but still said that believing in religion is plain wrong based on the facts, and you could theoretically believe in anything as ridiculous or more based on the argument that believing is enough.
The argument seemed to mostly be about misunderstanding respect for people's beliefs. I don't think she got what I was trying to say. People can believe what they want, but I can be as sure that it's wrong as I am that the invisible pink unicorn or flying spaghetti monster isn't real. She seemed to think I was implying that nobody has a right to their beliefs since I was so boldly saying that it's wrong. She implied greater moral superiority in accepting all beliefs even though there are plenty of non-religious things she strongly disagrees with and would equally say those people are wrong.
This is my philosophical point and I'd really like to find a better way to say what I want to say truthfully without actually plainly saying "you are wrong"... I didn't actually say those words, but as good as.
