The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.

[Mystic]

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Not for an omnibenevolent God who could have made humanity any way he wanted.

But can he bestow the virtues without us going through the struggle?

Can he gives us the value of struggle and patience in adversity, without having gone through it?

Perhaps it is impossible, just like making square triangles is impossible.

While the issue is anthropocentric, you can't blanket humanity. There shouldn't be evil in a single crevise in the universe.

But this argument is meant to show this is not true, and not only that, since all suffering bring about some character building in any human...then it's worth it, since suffering is trivial given a gazillion years of peace.

Basically, what good came to the mental guy? He can never improve. This is injustice, an evil inflicted directly by God.

It's possible his suffering for a short period relative to the infinite period of peace, and is worth the character building of those trying to find cures and help him, because in the long run, as well, given I don't suscribe to a religion, it can be that he will be sane in another world to come with memory of whom he was, and that world has conflict and evil, and allows character building as well but the final destination, is peace without suffering..

Why didn't God make a world where there didn't exist natural disasters? He had the power to create a timeline where no natural disasters occured.

From the perspective, of the hard things people face, and we face as humanity together, they give opportunity for character building, which according to premise 3, is a worthy goal.

1 is unjustified, and 2 and 3 are based from one. I also explained why I felt 2 to be suffering in itself.

lol so if God creates a world with perfect peace and no death, you say it's sufferring too, you might as well not want of God to created anything?

Isn't this a form of special pleading? Why does only God have this right?

Well it's similar to how only the Designer sets up a system where we die, but no one has the right to kill an innocent person, just because God has the right to.

8. Just as we can't murder each other, because designed system kills a person, same then with not wanting to alleviate suffering, because system is designed to afflict suffering.

I don't understand this one, but it seems that God could alter the system at his will to avoid suffering.

Sounds like Romanticism to me. God places evils in the world that otherwise didn't need to exist, then justifies this by saying "Oh, well at least now you can fight evil heroicly".

But how we react to it makes us whom we are. Without evil and good in combat, there is less potential of higher character building....

Worth it, worthy goal,justified? #6, #11 and #12 are basically identical.

True wrote this at around 3:00 am.

Why is it a virtue to combat evil if there isn't any and never will be?

Exactly a world without evil, would lack those virtues. And we wouldn't be able to choose our character and build our character out of free-will, as much as we are able to do so now.

Really?

Seems so, might not be so.

I wanted to play Devil's Advocate a little longer , but the theists weren't responding.

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