(July 21, 2012 at 3:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's not that he can't create us Angelic like, it's that perhaps the value and rich experience of character building with the struggle against evil, fortitude against adversity, free-will to chose, etc, is better, and given the long run, that people will be at peace and will be good, it maybe worth it. Things like learning to forbear and forgive evil people without forced to, but through your own choice, maybe be better and more valuable.
The value of the experience is derived from the consequences of the experience, in this case. Certainly the value isn't derived from the suffering directly, but rather what is taken from the experience.
This said, why not skip a step and have inborn virtue?
Why would you have to deal with evil people when God didn't allow there to be evil people?
You really aren't "forced" to be virtuous. You are effectively born into existence with virute attached.
You have either accidentally or purposefully side-stepped the question. Keeping in mind that the value of an experience in the case of suffering is derived from the consequence of the ordeal, why not simply be born with these values? Remember, some virtues aren't applicable when evils and injustices are removed from the equasion.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
