RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 21, 2012 at 4:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2012 at 4:26 pm by Skepsis.)
(July 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: This reality without suffering is illogical.Why? There technically could exist a reality outside suffering, if you delve into what a God is capable of.
Quote:Same as a loving God creating beings to love him without suffering is illogical.Seems to me a loving God creating any suffering in the first place is the more illogical of the two.
Quote: Neither (love or suffering) can exist alone. They're interdependent.No, I don't think so, but I won't bother to take the time to prove it.
Like I said, infinite love and any degree od suffering are contradictive, regardless of whether or not they must come as a pair in reality. Your point in null because a perfectly loving creator would rather avoid creation altogether rather than create something that is destined, rather, by your interpretation, necessarily, subject to suffering that is often times needless and unavoidable.
Quote: So only a loving God would create this reality.Dafaq?
How, even if I granted you every single point you made, did you get to the statement you made above?
A malevolent God could have made the universe by your same criterion, because good and evil must coexist. The love, in this case, would simply be a byproduct.
You are really going to have a hard time justifying this point.
(July 21, 2012 at 3:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It seems impossible to me, like creating square triangles. I don't know how to prove it though.
It's like a video game, there is difference between the experience on easy mode and on the hardest mode. Most people like the challenge and go hardest mode, and only notch it down when they feel they can't do it.
It maybe similar, easy mode, and hardest mode, but they are not the same experience.
It seems possible to me, and I have provided evidence other than analogy in my logical breakdown of inborn virtue.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell