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I see a large difference between an atheist's agnosticism and mine. I personally don't see any similarity at all. I have no idea what Dawkins is although he proclaims he does not possess absolute certainty of whether a god does not exist. I am a strong agnostic, hence my opposition to materialists.

Strong agnostic. So you know we are not now and never will be in a position to know if gods exist? For someone who sets the bar for knowing high, you don't seem to have any trouble ruling out the possibility of knowing.

No it's something I believe. Based on existing evidence it's the most logical assumption, as opposed to believing science will disprove a god, or that god is proven.

I am a weak agnostic as I lack your knowledge as to the possibility of knowledge. Okay, that's out of the way. On to the question of theism.

Do you practice theism or are you without such practices? By saying I am without, I concede that I am without theism and therefore an atheist. Frankly I don't really care what you think you know when asking what you believe. Neither do I care exclusively about your consciously held opinions. When I ask about your beliefs I want also to know whether there is any sign of a belief in gods implicit in your actions, so far as you can tell.

I would assume weak atheism is due to the dependence on science, rather than the belief that a god will be proved. I believe a god is a possibility and not an unlikely one as I have no means to determine this probability.

Finding no indication of any belief in gods in my actions and having no consciously held beliefs, I am ready to come out as atheist. How about you?

It depends, I don't use the term as a response to theists. Theists would probably view me as an atheist, although I view myself as an agnostic. Based on saying "I don't know" but the philosophy I apply is very different to those who view themselves as atheists.

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I still have no idea why someone would an active atheist unless they felt aggrieved by religion in some way.

So, you don't think that even someone that is brought up in the most secular culture, without even the least religious influence on their upbringing, has a reason to debate theists?

Theism effects the entire planet, and for the most part, not for the better. Or haven't you noticed...

I think religion has shaped all cultures, to deny this would be stupid. But I don't think I must debate theists as I don't believe religion has been a solely negative influence. To focus on this only shows bias. For example, science began so man could assess their role in god's creation. This may be a belief, but ironic many atheists now depend on science as a proxy religion.