RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 22, 2012 at 10:09 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2012 at 10:17 pm by Skepsis.)
(July 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So two problems we have Skepsis:
1) The issue of special pleading to the Designer (I'm working to explain this one)
2) The issue it's possible for God to bestow the value and virtue of the experience of struggling against evil by free-will without evil.
If these two issues are solved, does it seem the problem of evil is solved?
My last and seemingly knock-down argument is that no ultimately moral God would create a universe with ANY evil, much less the amount of evil we find in our world today. Much of the suffering today is needless and as such would not only casr doubt on a benevolent God, but rule one out completely.
(July 22, 2012 at 1:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Now if you assert that an originating source was destructive, how does that work? From nothing he... erm... couldn't make anything.
See what I mean?
A destructive force has to be a subsequent force. It cannot be the originating force > God.
Where do you get off assigning meaning to creation and destruction? The two aren't intrinsically good or bad. Controlled demolition or fireworks are both examples of "good" destruction. Nuclear weapons and M16s are example of the "bad" that can come of creation.
You can't get off with saying that evil is necessarily destructive or that goodness is necessarily creative, because this simply isn't the case.
Now, back to your point that a "destructive force" cannot be the originating force.
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O.K. Sure. What about a force that can destroy OR create? What about a force that is simply evil? How do you knock these out of the equasion?
So far you have only given me lip and flawed logic. I had thought I could expect more from such a prestigous Christian member.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell