RE: Do atheists need some faith?
July 23, 2012 at 3:35 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2012 at 3:38 am by Selliedjoup.)
(July 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm)genkaus Wrote:(July 22, 2012 at 5:15 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: So you're equating reality to a known physical object? Why?
No equating, comparing. You understand the difference, don't you?
Yes I understand the difference. To compare something you don't know (what reality is) to something physically understood (the human body) is a pointless exercise, as these are too different for any comparison to be drawn. As you're proposing reality is measurable it seems you're equating the human body and reality to each other based on our ability to understand them. As you've luckily assumed reality is measurable you're in the position to equate, as comparing worth be pointless.
(July 22, 2012 at 5:15 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: The point is if you don't know how big reality is, or what it is, you're choosing to determine what it is based on what you know.
Quote:There is a big difference between "how big" and "what". The question of "how big" isn't even applicable here.
Feel free to whimsically dismiss whatever you like, just don't expect any agreememt from me. So as you're stating that as you don't know how big reality is, the question itself isn't relevant? or are you saying you do know how big reality and on this basis it isn't relevant?
I personally would like to know how big reality is, or rather know of everything that exists, whether it's just in our universe, is it solely material etc?
(July 22, 2012 at 5:15 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: You're looking for science to prove what is beyond science?
Quote:You have a reason to think it can't?
Perhaps you could tell me how you propose science can prove this? Burden of proof and all that jazz. I find it funny that many atheists assume this is to be the case which requires no explanation. It's like theists assuming that they don't need to account for the problem of suffering.
(July 22, 2012 at 5:15 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: The question does not apply to what scientists look to establish, but the value you assign to what they have, or seek to, establish. Try not to portray your position as a scientific one.
Quote:Mistaken again. Scientists do not establish everything in terms of value.
You failed to comprehend what I wrote. I was not addressing what value scientists assign to discoveries, but rather what YOU have assigned to scientific discoveries, or the lack of. Believing science to be the only logical way to address this question, is a belief, not a scientific fact. You seem to be confused by this.