(July 23, 2012 at 3:14 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Dude, all I'm trying to do is explain this one point to you, about original creation. I keep explaining to you that original creation and creation are two different things, and then you go ahead and conflate the two again. I'm not asking anything difficult here. Do you understand the concept of first cause? As opposed to say, you creating a weapon of mass destruction?
So that is what you are trying to do. Honstly, it is one hell of a job trying to decipher meaning from your posts. It had seemed to me to be your point to make sure I understood that an evil creator -> negative -> destructive, not that creation and original creation are different things. It's almost like you are speaking a different language.
The concept of first cause as opposed to my own creation of a weapon of mass destruction? Well, perhaps.
An original creator of the "first cause" is more responcible than me for creating that nuclear weapon, just as he would be responcible for the creation of every single plague of mankind and nature ever to exist.
Either that or you are suggesting that it somehow wasn't this creator's fault and some third party was the one wrecking havok in the world, to which I could only reply that your God is lame. Is he incapable of destroying this evil force, or subduing it? Was he incapable of stopping it at its conception, or better yet simply discarding any version of the world that had this figure in it?
I can only assume you are clinging to the end of your rope here, despite the fact I hardly ever understand what point you are trying to make with your drivel.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell