(July 23, 2012 at 5:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: This is you never being insulting?I didn't expect you to be so thin-skinned.
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Your attacks on your understanding of God remain just that. Ill informed. And your grasp of first cause is logically flawed. I keep trying to explain it, and your counter seems to amount to: No. Nope. No it isn't. I'm not going to explain why.
Your argument remains that only a loving God would create the universe because suffering and love are necessarily found in conjunction in reality.
If this is wrong, simply correct me. but it is what I take as an argument because your rhetoric is shitty as hell.
"Same as a loving God creating beings to love him without suffering is illogical. Neither (love or suffering) can exist alone. They're interdependent. So only a loving God would create this reality."
Here is my answer:
If you are arguing that only a loving God is capable of creating this universe, I'll give that to you. I could care less what is capable of creating this universe, material wise. If you are arguing that a loving God ought to be willing to create this world, you are sadly mistaken. He shouldn't be willing to because an infinitely loving God would prefer no existence to an existence of suffering.
I am more worried about the contradictions found between that God and the universe he created.
So here we have our universe, a place of love and a good bit of suffering. No loving God would opt to create that universe, due to the massive amounts of unnecessary suffering. And we have your proposed God who is supposed to be all-loving who decided to create the world anyway.
Your argument also doesn't address unnecessary suffering at all. Thinking back, I feel it is directly contradictory for a God to invalidate his own nature by acting differently than his nature dictates. This would make the creation of a world with evil impossible for a loving God.
I still hold that an infinitely loving God has no business creating any evil, instead opting out of creation. Keep that in mind in your next reply.
Quote:I'm now out of patience waiting for some justification from you. I will assume that you just don't have any.Thin skinned and impatient?
Who would have known?
"God's creation is this reality.", you say.
And then you chide me for dismissing it with a "nope"?
You have yet to back that one up, and if you don't intend on doing so then don't boldly declare such things.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
-Bertrand Russell