Do atheists need some faith?

[genkaus]

Sadly it's not. You make the assumption that whatever you say to be true, and feel no requirement to justify or rationalise your perspective in any way. Your claim of being unable to measure reality was purely a subjective judgement to which you then hide behind your tautology

Like I said, read again. Your failure to understand the justification given does not mean none was given.

That you believed you addressed my points/questions illustrates that you did not comprehend the points and/or questions in the first place. Please feel welcome to cut and paste my reponse, unless of course, it takes more brain cells to do this than what you intend to write.

Point out which points you consider unaddressed and I'll point out where I addressed them.

Ok that's a really poor comparison, and exposes your limited understanding of what is being said. You claimed to understand what reality is, and all that it entails. You have so far failed to provide any evidence, beyond countlessly repititions, of that this is correct.

Once again, a dismal failure of comprehension. I never claimed the bolded part.

If you propose that you understand reality it is logical that you have some idea of all that it is (its size would be logical included in this).

As demonstrated countless times by me and others - no that is not logical. You don't need to know all of something to know what it is not and the concept of size is not applicable.

For example, I understand football and the dimensions of the field, ball etc.

Let's go with your analogy then. A sit happens, I don't understand "all" of football. I don't know the dimensions of the field or the ball or many of the rules governing the game. What I do know is that its a game where two teams play to kick the ball into opposite team's goal. Therefore, I understand that the purpose is not to kick the ball in your own goal. Further, the "size of the game of football" is a nonsensical question. You can ask the size of the ball used in the game, that of the field, the number of players or fans - but the size of the game itself, that's nonsensical.

You understand reality (without requiring any need to define it further) and then class it's size as immeasurable.

Wrong. I said that the concept of size does not apply.

Or is this due to your self-proclaimed understanding of reality to then state the ability to measure its size is non-sensical.

Wrong again. The words "its size" are what's wrong here.

But you failed to offer any reason why it would be non-sensical, other than that you udnerstand reality.

No, actually, the reason is given right here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-13879-p...#pid314362

Do you see where you tripped yourself up? There are limitations on being self-assured as you eventually need some form of evidence/proof to back up what you state. Feel free to outline why you understand reality and why it's immeasurable now.

Done and done.

No I didn't mean any post, as you have not actually stated your position in this post or anywhere else.

This isn't Waldo you are looking for. My position regarding "is only science capable of determining reality" should be quite clear to anyone who reads it.

You're incapable of outlining what you believe, perfectly illustrated by the quote in the post you linked to above:

"I don't have to know what all of reality is to know what reality is" and yet you accuse me of using a tautology? I don't know what reality is, yet you seem to convinced based on what you perceive it to be? I just hope for your sake you're a troll.

If you can, rationalise your position. Otherwise I can't see the point in wasting my time with someone like you.

That has been done multiple times already - by me and others, using many different analogies, the latest being provided by you. Given that you still fail to understand this simple point, I have to say that you are wasting your time. The knowledge provided by simple logic is beyond you. Give up and strain your puny mind no more.