The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.

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Which still doesn't answer the question of why god didn't simply create only heaven and spare his creation the suffering that exists in this corporeal existence.

Why didn't he.. who could know? Why couldn't he.. he could.

Not messing with you here. Just addressing your question. More questions follow. I'll let you pick them. Or not.

Are you saying it was beyond god's ability to create nature without suffering?

As God is logical, God couldn't create the illogical. I'm not adverse to considering the possibility that other logical solutions might be possible. I think that's outside our puny abilities to understand, but I don't rule out the possibility.

Sufferring isn't the problem to me. Unnecessary sufferring is. That's the injustice. I have no problem with justice. Other people seem to (by concluding that God is unjust).

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so saying that you see a beautiful creation reflects only your subjective opinon. It does not necessarily follow that this beauty actually exists, however, upon further thought, I'm guessing you will argue an objective standard of beauty exists, correct?

And I thought I had the objectiv/ subjective thing beat. Damn you!

It has to be subjective doesn't it? Objective from God's perspective are you getting at??

If the world isn't beautiful to us, then we have a problem connecting to it. The beauty is still there. How's that?