RE: I can feel your anger
July 27, 2012 at 11:21 am
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2012 at 11:22 am by Reforged.)
(July 26, 2012 at 7:54 pm)Selliedjoup Wrote:(July 26, 2012 at 7:37 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: You assume incorrectly, perhaps ask for clarification before you base an entire paragraph on an assumption in future.
I mean supernatural as it is defined in most dictionaries:
su·per·nat·u·ral (spr-nchr-l)
adj.
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.
Why should something outside the natural world effect the natural world? On what are you basing this? You can't possibly claim to have knowledge of the supernatural, its supposedly beyond our understanding. How can you make specific claims of what supernatural entities exist and operate outside the boundaries of your understanding?
You can't have it both ways, either it is beyond what we can prove or not. What are you basing your claims of specific supernatural entities existing on?
Strange that you supply the defintion of supernatural as I assumed and then claim I assumed incorrectly.
I said: "Firstly, I'm assuming that by natural you mean that which we can measure, and supernatural is that which we can't".If I assumed incorrectly, are you stating that which cannot be observed,measured or any evidence be found to support is not natural? If so, the natural does not consist of what exists, but rather what there is proof for.
I've always considered the natural to be what actually exists, not what is proven to exist. These definitions are seemingly interchangeable for you.
I don't make claims about the supernatural, I merely claim I cannot dismiss them due to a lack of evidence, which I hope you've managed to see the paradoxical nature of this by now.
So you are basically arguing that the unknown is out there and branding it all supernatural? All of it a force *beyond* science, *beyond* nature because it cannot be measured?
By your definition gravity would of been supernatural before we finally figured out how it works and a unit of measurement for it. Needless to say gravity is not supernatural and your definition that the supernatural is what we can't measure does not hold up to speculation.
The definitions I gave are ones I took the trouble to look up and quote from directly. I'm not sure how that permits you to accuse me of treating them as interchangeable. Should I perhaps quote every definition I can find on the internet?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.