RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
July 27, 2012 at 9:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2012 at 9:51 pm by spockrates.)
Thanks for replying, and sorry for taking so long to reply.

Why, yes--the one you quoted is ambiguous! Tell me please, Undeceived: What is this grace of which Paul writes?
I'd say that one cannot truly know that she actually is righteous unless she first knows how to become righteous. I'd say wisdom is greater than faith, but do you disagree?
So do you think one is saved by grace through faith alone? Or is something else besides faith (such as repentance) required?
Can one know how to become saved without any knowledge of how to be saved?
Yes, grace is God's method, but once more: What is grace? and does Jesus say faith is all that is required to receive this grace that saves us from hell?

(July 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm)Undeceived Wrote:(July 26, 2012 at 11:39 am)spockrates Wrote: Well, actually, my crisis is one born from uncertainty, rather than doubt. I do not yet have good reason to doubt that the Bible conveys the truth about Jesus--who he is and what he did. It's not what it says about him I doubt; it's what it expects me to do about him that I'm uncertain about. For the Biblical passages regarding salvation are unclear, due to their ambiguous wording.Ephesians 2:8-10 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
This page has more:
http://deeptruths.com/bible-basics/salvation.html
Do any of these seem ambiguous to you?
Why, yes--the one you quoted is ambiguous! Tell me please, Undeceived: What is this grace of which Paul writes?
Quote:So would you say both Catholics and Protestants are believers? If so, does what one believe about how to get to heaven have nothing to do with becoming such a believer?
Quote:Yes! What is better-- to know how to become righteous, or to actually be righteous?
I'd say that one cannot truly know that she actually is righteous unless she first knows how to become righteous. I'd say wisdom is greater than faith, but do you disagree?
Quote:As long as one repents of their sins and accepts Jesus’ forgiveness they are made white as snow.
So do you think one is saved by grace through faith alone? Or is something else besides faith (such as repentance) required?
Quote:They may have been misled, but salvation is not obtained through knowledge.
Can one know how to become saved without any knowledge of how to be saved?
Quote:If we are in relationship with Jesus Christ, he mediates for us. As Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:2-3 writes, "Those who think they know
something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God." In reality, every denomination is somewhat isolated from the truth. We are mere humans trying to comprehend God's master plan. But time and again Jesus tells us simply to believe. And Paul confirms grace as the only way to heaven. If we are truly fearful of falling out of grace for being "wrong" about how God operates, we are probably saved already.
Yes, grace is God's method, but once more: What is grace? and does Jesus say faith is all that is required to receive this grace that saves us from hell?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock


