RE: Does the Bible Contradict Itself?
July 27, 2012 at 11:24 pm
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2012 at 11:25 pm by Reforged.)
(July 27, 2012 at 10:53 pm)spockrates Wrote:(July 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: I chose God's side, I found the answers in scripture, most of those answers came after salvation, as they do for most people.
Paul tells use that salvation does not come through works, neither does keeping your salvation.
Please tell me where he says this.
Quote:Salvation is through belief in Christ through grace and grace only.
I think you mean to say salvation is by grace, through faith, instead of by faith, through grace. Don't you?
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
(Ephesians 2)
But speaking of grace, what exactly would you say it is?
Quote:Works show others of the salvation we have, works help use grow in a relationship with Christ, scripture is very clear about this.
Yes, but is scripture clear that the good things we say, think and do have nothing to do with getting us to heaven? If so, please explain why? For example, why do you believe Ephesians 2 teaches our thoughts, words and deeds are useless to save us from hell?
Quote:I understand that when you study the scriptures things at times become unclear, that's why I said Christians need to be patient and the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of God's word. I've had many unclear moments, but in time things were made clear, it's not about our timing it's about God's desire to reveal truth to you when you are ready.
Would you believe that many thoughtful
Catholics (who do not believe as you do about good works) tell me the same? You and they both seek the truth from scripture. You and they both trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth. Yet you and they disagree about what the Holy Spirit has revealed as the truth about salvation! How can that be? I'd say either you, or they, or both are deceived. So doesn't this mean that trusting the Bible and Holy Spirit does not guarantee freedom from deception?
(July 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm)Undeceived Wrote: What differences do you speak of?
Differences regarding salvation.
Ha ha ha. Take notes boys, because this guy hasn't been here long and he already knows how to do your job better than you do.
Please continue, I have no desire to interrupt this extraordinary turn of events.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.



