RE: Paul's Beliefs
July 28, 2012 at 9:30 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2012 at 9:46 am by Drich.)
(July 28, 2012 at 1:07 am)FallentoReason Wrote: It has been pointed out to you that the Hellenistic culture of the time had no problems in believing works that happened in another realm. Paul's central teaching is around this one work that happened in the heavens; a saviour god being crucified.You have provided that no proof that any of the Jews were apart of this culture (The Saducees The Jewish Leadership and authority Did not believe in any existance outside of the one they were currently living) Let alone Paul speak to the nature of the whole of Christianity existing outside of this realm. You made the assertion, So if Paul's messages were all directed to a Christ outside of this realm then provide some passage that indicates what you are claiming. (I will not be accepting anymore speculation and wish thinking as 'proof.')
Quote:Your 100+ references are nothing to worry about unless Paul had made a connection with the Gospel Jesus, which mysteriously was unknown to him.I left passages were paul directly Quotes the 'Gospel of Jesus' What are you talking about?
Quote:On a side note, why does it matter so much to you that Jesus had to be on earth?Seriously?
Quote: Don't you have the faith that Jesus communicates to you like he did to Paul?Yes and it is because The Holy Spirit told me He was of this Earth, that I am inclined to believe it.
Quote: I think it's fair to say you're in actual fact an evidentialist like me. Your faith necessarily depends on historical evidence. Of course, the difference between you and me is that I run a tight ship when it comes to what non-flawed evidence looks like.Then PROVIDE IT!
I have been asking for Evidence since the beginning and providing 'Evidence' to counter your points, and yet you ignore and press on with your faith. Which is fine so long as you undersatnd what you 'believe' has nothing to do with evidence. Ironically your beliefs are more faith based now, then when you believed.
(July 28, 2012 at 7:34 am)Justtristo Wrote:(July 28, 2012 at 12:33 am)Drich Wrote: Even the ones that point to his earthly incarnation?
Yes I know those verses in the Epistles like Galatians 4:4
Quote:But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.(Galatians 4:4 ESV)
Born of woman? If there have been a historical Jesus which in the time this epistle was asserted as being written (50's AD), there would have been people still alive who would have personally know this Jesus. So making such a statement like this would be unnecessary.
So is it in your Best estimation that the majority of those people who knew of Christ lived in Galatia (Northern turkey 6400+ miles) from jerusalem??? And that paul did have to state that God was born of woman as a living and breathing man because they would have known... 64/65 hundred miles away in a time when people had no way of knowing these kind of things unless someone like Paul Told Them...
Because, there was a mass exodus of believer and witnesses of Christ to Galatia... [/quote]