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Paul's Beliefs
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RE: Paul's Beliefs
Let's address your 'interpertation' of Romans 8:26 first, because it has nothing to do with, Paul not knowing how to pray (as several of your post depend on this statement.)

26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[b] with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


Paul is teaching if one does not know what to ask for in prayer, the Holy Spirit intercedes. In otherwords He is teaching that prayer is not to be a repetitious chant. (which is also taught be Christ, for the Lord's prayer is not to be a vain excersize in repetition)

The rest of your post tells me you simply do not understand the difference between what an evangelist does in/for the Church, and what someone like Paul (an elder) would do for the church. You seem stuck on the fact that all the church should do is preach the gospel and not engaged in life beyond the life and events surrounding Christ's life. That Christianity has no place in the practical lives of it's established believers beyond establishing and reinforcing the Gospel message, over and over and over again despite how or what it's members struggle with.

That is why I left the passage from Hebrews about milk/meat. When we are young in the faith we need the milk of the word. This amounts to the gospel message, but inorder to grow in our faith we need more than to hear about the life and times of Jesus over and over again. Like 1 cor 7 is about how a Christian should view marriage. Why? Because outside of what Christ said about divorce there is nothing else to go on. The Book of Romans speaks in detail of the nature of Christ sacrifice bought us. Why? Because evidently even though the brothers in Rome have heard the gospel or milk of the word over and over again they were still defaulting to a works based form of righteousness. In short they thought we were to earn Merritt our way to heaven by doing good deeds. Something Christ touched on but did not go into the detail the romes specifically needed to separate their deed from the Grace given by Christ... And on and on to each of the title regions Paul was attributed to writing to.

Paul's role in the Church was not one of an evangelist. (One who spends his time converting new believers) His role was that of an elder. (Meeting the needs of the established Church by taking the message and philosophies that the word and works of Christ affords and applying them to everyday life.) As such the milk or the stuff the noobs need for faith and belief, (all the stuff you are clamoring about) is intentionally set aside inorder to spiritually nourish established believers with spot on spiritual direction and advise.
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Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 2:57 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by fr0d0 - July 27, 2012 at 7:13 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by padraic - July 27, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - July 27, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by cratehorus - July 27, 2012 at 4:29 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 27, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 27, 2012 at 11:46 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Justtristo - July 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 12:07 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Justtristo - July 28, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Justtristo - July 28, 2012 at 7:34 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 27, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - July 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Undeceived - July 27, 2012 at 8:28 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 27, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Undeceived - July 29, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 27, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - July 27, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Justtristo - July 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 12:23 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Angrboda - July 28, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 1:07 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Justtristo - July 28, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 29, 2012 at 12:39 am
Re: Paul's Beliefs - by fr0d0 - July 28, 2012 at 2:40 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 4:26 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 10:44 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 29, 2012 at 1:46 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 29, 2012 at 8:58 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - July 29, 2012 at 12:44 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 29, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 29, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 30, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 30, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 29, 2012 at 11:12 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - July 31, 2012 at 12:47 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 29, 2012 at 11:23 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 30, 2012 at 1:25 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2012 at 1:53 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 30, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2012 at 2:15 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 30, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 30, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 31, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Drich - July 31, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - July 31, 2012 at 10:46 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Undeceived - August 1, 2012 at 1:44 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - August 1, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Undeceived - August 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by FallentoReason - August 1, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Paul's Beliefs - by Minimalist - August 1, 2012 at 2:01 pm

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