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Poll: Did you start out as a theist?
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Yes, I used to be a theist.
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Ex Theists
RE: Ex Theists
(August 15, 2009 at 6:31 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:
(August 15, 2009 at 6:09 am)Saerules Wrote: Answers From Philosophy: our very existence, the universal stability of 1=1, the establishment of justice and morality (unique by viewpoint), to name a few.

Our existence is derived from philosophy? News to me ... I rather thought it was a case of, "I'm alive, now what can I eat?". That 1 = 1 is a mathematical assumption ... again not philosophy (and certainly not derived from philosophy). Justice and morality are relative ... not derived from philosophy.

I repeat that philosophy (modern day philosophy) answers no questions that I can discern. I will change my view on that when (and only when) something is concluded in the basis of philosophical evidence and philosophical evidence alone.

Kyu
I apologize if any of this offends you Kyu... but:

Apparently... you have no idea what philosophy means.

[hide]philosophy |fəˈläsəfē|
noun ( pl. -phies)
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline. See also natural philosophy .
• a set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such study or an aspect of it : a clash of rival socialist philosophies.
• the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience : the philosophy of science.
• a theory or attitude held by a person or organization that acts as a guiding principle for behavior : don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed, that's my philosophy.[hide]

You can tell me that one = one is math... but can math tell you why it must be absolutely true always? It cannot. You can prove that one + one = 2... but you can do nothing to tell why it is so. You can show how... but the why is beyond your comprehension. This simple equation of 1=1 is the original root of all logic... and logic is the root of math and philosophy and science and rationality itself.

On the subject of justice and morality... you've never read Plato's Republic... have you? As you clearly haven't: i recommend the read. That should prove a great deal of things to you based solely on philosophy.

Philosophy is one of the most important of sciences... while other sciences will tell you the way things are... only in Philosophy will you understand 'why' things are the way they are. Open your mind Kyu... and you will learn that you have much more to learn... Smile
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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Messages In This Thread
Ex Theists - by Darwinian - August 11, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: Ex Theists - by leo-rcc - August 11, 2009 at 3:53 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Ace Otana - August 11, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 11, 2009 at 7:33 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 11, 2009 at 7:47 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Overmars - August 11, 2009 at 9:28 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 11, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 11, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 11, 2009 at 7:37 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Overmars - August 11, 2009 at 9:23 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 11, 2009 at 9:26 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 11, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 11, 2009 at 10:48 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 11, 2009 at 11:06 am
RE: Ex Theists - by LukeMC - August 11, 2009 at 11:12 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 11, 2009 at 11:23 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 11, 2009 at 9:34 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Minimalist - August 11, 2009 at 10:26 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by padraic - August 12, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 12, 2009 at 7:32 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 3:48 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 12, 2009 at 8:36 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 12, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 2:06 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 12, 2009 at 6:52 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 12, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 12, 2009 at 7:30 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 12, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 12, 2009 at 7:40 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 12, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 12, 2009 at 11:45 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by padraic - August 13, 2009 at 2:42 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 13, 2009 at 7:39 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 7:59 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 13, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 13, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 9:37 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Darwinian - August 13, 2009 at 8:37 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 13, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Overmars - August 13, 2009 at 9:31 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 13, 2009 at 8:45 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 13, 2009 at 8:46 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 13, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2009 at 5:08 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 7:27 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 13, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Darwinian - August 13, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 13, 2009 at 10:34 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 3:17 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 14, 2009 at 9:04 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Darwinian - August 13, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 13, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Dotard - August 13, 2009 at 10:45 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 13, 2009 at 11:07 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 8:32 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 10:07 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 14, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 14, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Eilonnwy - August 14, 2009 at 9:37 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 3:42 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 4:34 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 4:52 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 5:23 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by padraic - August 14, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 7:45 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - August 14, 2009 at 9:30 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 11:17 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 14, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 14, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 15, 2009 at 5:17 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 15, 2009 at 9:19 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - August 14, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 14, 2009 at 9:22 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 14, 2009 at 9:32 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Violet - August 15, 2009 at 6:09 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 15, 2009 at 12:11 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - August 15, 2009 at 6:31 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 2:12 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 9, 2009 at 4:18 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Pippy - August 15, 2009 at 7:17 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 15, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 15, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Dotard - August 16, 2009 at 1:40 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 16, 2009 at 7:12 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 15, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 15, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - August 15, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Tiberius - August 15, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 15, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by Rhizomorph13 - August 16, 2009 at 10:34 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - August 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: Ex Theists - by beenthere - September 9, 2009 at 1:59 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theblindferrengi - September 9, 2009 at 2:16 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 2:26 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theblindferrengi - September 9, 2009 at 2:29 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Violet - September 9, 2009 at 2:30 am
RE: Ex Theists - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 4:01 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 12:00 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 5:07 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 5:34 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 5:48 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 6:06 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 6:08 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 6:41 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 6:59 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 7:20 am
RE: Ex Theists - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 9:22 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Kyuuketsuki - September 10, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Ex Theists - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:18 am

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