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Do atheists need some faith?
RE: Do atheists need some faith?
(July 29, 2012 at 9:19 pm)cato123 Wrote: What a childish argument. Look back and explailn to me what is the difference between A and B?

A = "There exists sufficient evidence E for proposition P."
B = "P is true."

These are not equivalent--unless what it means for a statement to be 'true' is that there exists sufficient evidence for it.

So far as I can tell, there is no logical requirement than for every true proposition, there will be sufficient evidence for it. Even in the barest logical sense, in any axiom system sufficient to describe arithmetic on the natural numbers, there will be true propositions that cannot be proved (by Godel's incompleteness theorems).

Quote:You cannot based on the argument you gave. In fact, you gave the perfect proof for circular reasoning.

Would you like to try again?

I'm not sure I understand. I didn't give any proof. I asked how the hypothetical person could know "A implies B". If A and B are truly logically equivalent--and the hypothetical person in question can know that--then my question will have been answered (of course, the hypothetical person would then need to show how he could know that they were equivalent).
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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Do atheists need some faith? - by nazra7 - July 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by frankiej - July 18, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Napoléon - July 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Faith No More - July 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by nazra7 - July 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by frankiej - July 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Napoléon - July 18, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Paul the Human - July 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Erinome - July 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Shell B - July 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by nazra7 - July 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Napoléon - July 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Erinome - July 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 18, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by jonb - July 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Minimalist - July 18, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by pgrimes15 - July 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Tempus - July 19, 2012 at 4:28 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by padraic - July 18, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by FallentoReason - July 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 18, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 18, 2012 at 11:29 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2012 at 11:40 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 19, 2012 at 3:28 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 19, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 21, 2012 at 5:13 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 21, 2012 at 8:20 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 21, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 21, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 21, 2012 at 9:40 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 21, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 21, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 21, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 22, 2012 at 4:36 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 22, 2012 at 5:15 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 23, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 23, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 12:33 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 25, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 4:17 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 25, 2012 at 4:55 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 5:18 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 26, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 26, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 26, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Cato - July 27, 2012 at 12:40 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 27, 2012 at 4:33 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 20, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Ryantology - July 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by KnockEmOuttt - July 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Ryantology - July 19, 2012 at 1:01 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 19, 2012 at 3:53 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Ace Otana - July 19, 2012 at 3:59 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 19, 2012 at 4:39 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 19, 2012 at 4:54 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by NoMoreFaith - July 19, 2012 at 6:07 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 19, 2012 at 5:04 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 19, 2012 at 5:28 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 19, 2012 at 5:56 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 19, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 19, 2012 at 6:13 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 19, 2012 at 6:56 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Nemo - July 19, 2012 at 8:13 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 19, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Ben Davis - July 19, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2012 at 11:05 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Whateverist - July 20, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Felasco - July 20, 2012 at 5:29 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Cyberman - July 20, 2012 at 7:13 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by downbeatplumb - July 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by KichigaiNeko - July 20, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Polaris - July 21, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by jonb - July 21, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Re: Do atheists need some faith? - by fr0d0 - July 25, 2012 at 3:17 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 3:18 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by 5thHorseman - July 25, 2012 at 5:16 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by The Grand Nudger - July 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 27, 2012 at 3:18 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 27, 2012 at 6:05 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 27, 2012 at 7:44 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 28, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 28, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Selliedjoup - July 29, 2012 at 3:25 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by genkaus - July 29, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Deicide73 - July 29, 2012 at 11:11 am
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by CliveStaples - July 29, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by Cato - July 29, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Do atheists need some faith? - by CliveStaples - July 30, 2012 at 2:48 am

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