RE: I can feel your anger
July 30, 2012 at 8:33 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 8:34 pm by Simon Moon.)
(July 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm)Selliedjoup Wrote: How would you to propose to measure that which is immaterial, or has no means to be scientifically proven? You can assume it doesn't exist, and this is why your view is an applied belief. You're welcome to make claims to knowledge of what we can observe, but claiming any degree of knowledge beyond this is pointless.
You still at this?
Atheism is not the assumption that because something can not be empirically proven, that it does not exist. Atheism is the absence of belief that it exists.
If something does exist that has no means to be empirically proven, what should be the justification to believe it exists?
Quote:I started out as an atheist and am now agnostic. I didn't start out with any magical expecations, I would others here began with these, so it would be a downer for them
That's interesting...
The vast majority of atheists are agnostic. I really get the feeling that you don't understand positions concerning knowledge (agnosticism and gnosticism) and belief (theism and atheism). They are not mutually exclusive.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.