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Us too you have saved by shedding blood which grants eternity.
[quote]Drich, this is an inscription commonly found at sites where there is a depiction of Mithras slaying the bull.[/quote]Sheding of blood means nothing in of itself. So much so Paul speaks to the meaningless sheding of blood offered to anyone.
[quote] Accompanying the inscription is a scene with a raven on Mithras' shoulder, a serpent accompanied by a cup underneath the bull, a dog lapping at the fatal wound of the bull and a scorpion attached to the bull's genitals. This act by Mithras which could very well be seen as something plausible in reality (the slaying of a bull) is clearly a map of the heavens; the bull representing Taurus, Canis Minor the dog, Hydra the serpent, Crater the cup, Corvus the raven and Scorpio the scorpion. Clearly, the belief in what Mithras accomplished wasn't related to the realm we live in. Before you ask, I got this information from a book I read at university today entitled Hellenistic Religions. [/quote]
I guess you've run out of topical points to argue...
[quote]When Paul confesses that 'the gospel preached by me is not man's, for I did not receive it from any man but through revelation of Jesus Christ' (paraphrasing Galatians 1:11,12) I have no choice but to dismiss the claim that the Gospel(s) was/were in circulation and that believers knew the stories already.[/quote]What a bs arguement. You have spent 6 pages denying the fact paul even preached the gospel now when you see the futility of your hopless effort, you change gears and say the gospel paul preached was not up to the standard recorded by gospel writers. Pick a direction.
[quote]The 'events' Paul speak of are no different to the slaying of the bull, which happened somewhere in the cosmos or 'heavens' but most certainly not on planet Earth and this is made evident by the apostle's ignorance of Jesus' life.[/quote]
Then please properly critque Paul's 'gospel' line by line and show us where he falters from the Gospel account... Oh, wait but that's going to be a proplem. Paul (In the NT accounts) is not a gospel teacher/evangelist and the Gospel He taught was never recorded, He only points back to the works recorded in the book of Acts.
The fact you are jumping from one arguement to another says your efforts here are circling the bowl, and have been flushed. These are the last scraps of a desperate intelect trying to save an arguement by revisiting what has already been dismissed.
Again if you want to believe this, it is a simple matter of faith that you do. Paul has been established as a Elder/shepard in the church and his role as recorded by the New testament is one of Maintaining the flock or helping established believers, by maintaining their faith, and addressing spiritual issues they had. His role has been echoed throught the History of the church even to this very day. In that when a believer has an issue with their lives like with a maritial problem we do not turn to the nativity story and rehash the birth , ministry, persecution, death burrial and resurection of Christ... what foolishness is that to review something accepted when one's marriage is on the rocks? That is why Paul in 1cor7 addressed the issues the corthinians had with marriage rather than reestablish the name of Christ's mother.
Remember believers do not need to hear or see the gospel everyday of their lives. There is life beyond the first four books of the NT. for that matter Peter's and John's works in the New Testament also mirror the works of Paul as they do not rehash the Gospel message in their efforts outside of the Gospel. In this aspect their post gospel works, Their efforts are as paul's. to maintain established believers and not meant to 'convert' anyone.
You said you spent time in church. How could you have spent 3 months in a church and not seen this for yourself? Once you have been established as a believer the emphasis on the gospel stops and then it turns to your spiritual life/walk with God.
Us too you have saved by shedding blood which grants eternity.
[quote]Drich, this is an inscription commonly found at sites where there is a depiction of Mithras slaying the bull.[/quote]Sheding of blood means nothing in of itself. So much so Paul speaks to the meaningless sheding of blood offered to anyone.
[quote] Accompanying the inscription is a scene with a raven on Mithras' shoulder, a serpent accompanied by a cup underneath the bull, a dog lapping at the fatal wound of the bull and a scorpion attached to the bull's genitals. This act by Mithras which could very well be seen as something plausible in reality (the slaying of a bull) is clearly a map of the heavens; the bull representing Taurus, Canis Minor the dog, Hydra the serpent, Crater the cup, Corvus the raven and Scorpio the scorpion. Clearly, the belief in what Mithras accomplished wasn't related to the realm we live in. Before you ask, I got this information from a book I read at university today entitled Hellenistic Religions. [/quote]
I guess you've run out of topical points to argue...
[quote]When Paul confesses that 'the gospel preached by me is not man's, for I did not receive it from any man but through revelation of Jesus Christ' (paraphrasing Galatians 1:11,12) I have no choice but to dismiss the claim that the Gospel(s) was/were in circulation and that believers knew the stories already.[/quote]What a bs arguement. You have spent 6 pages denying the fact paul even preached the gospel now when you see the futility of your hopless effort, you change gears and say the gospel paul preached was not up to the standard recorded by gospel writers. Pick a direction.
[quote]The 'events' Paul speak of are no different to the slaying of the bull, which happened somewhere in the cosmos or 'heavens' but most certainly not on planet Earth and this is made evident by the apostle's ignorance of Jesus' life.[/quote]
Then please properly critque Paul's 'gospel' line by line and show us where he falters from the Gospel account... Oh, wait but that's going to be a proplem. Paul (In the NT accounts) is not a gospel teacher/evangelist and the Gospel He taught was never recorded, He only points back to the works recorded in the book of Acts.
The fact you are jumping from one arguement to another says your efforts here are circling the bowl, and have been flushed. These are the last scraps of a desperate intelect trying to save an arguement by revisiting what has already been dismissed.
Again if you want to believe this, it is a simple matter of faith that you do. Paul has been established as a Elder/shepard in the church and his role as recorded by the New testament is one of Maintaining the flock or helping established believers, by maintaining their faith, and addressing spiritual issues they had. His role has been echoed throught the History of the church even to this very day. In that when a believer has an issue with their lives like with a maritial problem we do not turn to the nativity story and rehash the birth , ministry, persecution, death burrial and resurection of Christ... what foolishness is that to review something accepted when one's marriage is on the rocks? That is why Paul in 1cor7 addressed the issues the corthinians had with marriage rather than reestablish the name of Christ's mother.
Remember believers do not need to hear or see the gospel everyday of their lives. There is life beyond the first four books of the NT. for that matter Peter's and John's works in the New Testament also mirror the works of Paul as they do not rehash the Gospel message in their efforts outside of the Gospel. In this aspect their post gospel works, Their efforts are as paul's. to maintain established believers and not meant to 'convert' anyone.
You said you spent time in church. How could you have spent 3 months in a church and not seen this for yourself? Once you have been established as a believer the emphasis on the gospel stops and then it turns to your spiritual life/walk with God.
