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Paradoxical relationship between belief and faith.
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RE: Paradoxical relationship between belief and faith.
(August 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 4, 2012 at 11:48 am)whateverist Wrote: So you concede my points?
1) Christians have no faith in God in the broader sense of the word.
what is the 'broader sense of the word?


The broader sense of faith would be "trust", trust in God as you find Him rather than trust in God as limited by the bible. If you really had faith in God, you would open yourself to Him as he sees fit to reveal himself to you. Instead, you look to see only the God that has been promised in the bible. Why? Because you put your primary faith in a book not in any god.

You claim to commune with God or, some of you, to talk with Jesus. But if you really believed in a god that wanted a personal relationship with you, why shouldn't you trust him to reach out to you with or without any advance help from the bible? Hence my point.

(August 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible is not the sole source for Christian belief.

Actually it is. Whatever you think your communing with Jesus is about, you create that character in your psyche as directed by the bible. All you are communing with is the biblical character of Christ enlivened by your own imagination. You do this using the same facility that a good novelist uses to bring a character to life in a book.


(August 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 4, 2012 at 11:48 am)whateverist Wrote: 2) There is no justification for thinking the origins of the bible divine.
For whom? and why would the 'orgins' need to be devine in your best estimation?

For anyone who thinks documents intended as evidence require authentication. Of course, for those who are determined to become indoctrinated in the faith of their parents, no justification is required.


(August 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 4, 2012 at 11:48 am)whateverist Wrote: But the bible itself will tell you what is or is not divine so just assume it anyway.
do you have an example?

It isn't clear from your question that you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying you rely entirely on the bible to tell you about the divine. Anything which you may experience which doesn't check with biblical expectations are dismissed as irrelevant or the work of the devil. Do you really deny that your concept of the divine is not wholly derived from the bible? (I half expect you to agree proudly.)

(August 4, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Now, do you conceed mine?
1) Christians are not subject to the modern interpertation of the word Faith, and that Christian Faith is predicated on evidence provided by God?

If by that you agree with me that Christian faith isn't what the rest of us mean by faith, then yes, I agree with you. You are not subect to the modern interpretation (which predates Christian use of the word). You are free when you say you have faith in God to go right on meaning you have a rigidly held conviction that the nature of God is precisely as is shown in the bible. Your trust is in the book, a book for which you require no authentication.
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RE: Paradoxical relationship between belief and faith. - by Whateverist - August 5, 2012 at 3:04 am

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