Olympics

[Tiberius]

Lets get this straight, I don't care what you think, I do not use forums to get information even the links are going to be biased.

I never said you should use forums to get information. I said if you make a claim, you need to back it up with evidence when challenged. You didn't do that. Links can be biased; data (i.e. evidence) usually cannot.

If I want to check anything out I look it up myself.

Certainly, but when someone makes a claim here, we ask them to back it up with evidence. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, not the person who says "prove it".

You did not leave it there as just case unproven, you went on to accuse me in the statement above. That is different that is not saying I have not proven my case that is saying I am a lair.

I accused you of making things up because you cannot present sufficient evidence other than anecdotes. Unless you can present actual evidence, you should not make claims in the first place.

These reports are about the Jubilee and as such do not superficially seem to have anything to do with my assertion about the Olympics.

Isn't it funny how you accused me of not knowing what evidence was, yet you think it's perfectly reasonable to present articles about an entirely different event as evidence of your claims. Ridiculous.

As I have said I do not know of any direct reports, but form these we can start to piece together the story I have presented.

No, from these we can determine nothing.

I am merely presenting this because I have been accused of making things up.

You have not presented any evidence which even comes close to merely suggesting your claims have some degree of validity. The fact that you cannot find any evidence at all, and continually resort to using bad evidence and even bad reasoning leads me to conclude that you either made up your claims, or heard them from someone else, decided you liked them, and now continue to propagate them despite myself and others pointing out that there is no evidence to support them. Either way, you end up being the dishonest one.

Thus I am presenting this evidence to show I have a reasonable case to hold my views.

If you think what you've presented here is a "reasonable case", you are having a laugh. Your entire post is a non-sequitur.

Isn’t that odd here on an atheist website I am being expected to prove my innocence, rather than the accuser having to prove my guilt? Irony; maybe my accuser has spent too much time in the company of christians and is thinking in their way now.

No, you were expected to present evidence for your claims. When you could not, and came up with numerous ways to try and change your argument, I charged you with making the claims up in the first place. My evidence is your complete lack of evidence, and your general behaviour when challenged.

You will notice in several of these reports references to coercion of jobless, into a workfare scheme that covered both the jubilee and the Olympics subcontracted to a security company. So could a view be reasonably drawn from this that there was a workfare scheme that covered the Olympics?

Sure, but as I've said before, just because something happens in one instance, does not mean it happens in another, even if the circumstances are similar. Indeed, since people raised such a fuss about it at the Jubilee, it's incredibly likely that things were changed for the Olympics. Put simply, it does not follow that some coercion will happen just because it's happened before under similar circumstances. If you want to claim that, you need specific evidence.

Do you want me to go on? Do you still accuse me of making things up?

Since you have still not presented any evidence whatsoever that your claims about the Olympics are true, and you continually try to support your claims through a misuse of logic, yes. My reasoning:

If your claims were true, there would be at least one (if not more) reports that support your claims, especially given that you've demonstrated how many reports there were of a similar thing happening at a different event months before. Since there are no reports that you can present, and since you have displayed that your only reason to believe this is based on anecdotes and faulty logic, I conclude that you made these claims up.