RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
August 25, 2012 at 10:30 pm
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2012 at 10:37 pm by Atom.)
(August 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:Appealing to the majority opinion is a fallacy from the perspective of a philosophical proof. I didn't claim to be offering a proof, that would be impossible. I'm offered the testimony of a known hostile expert witness. Here is another:(August 25, 2012 at 5:57 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:
Jesus mythers and holocaust deniers and fake moon landing folk are interesting and quaint.
None of which are wrong because they disagree with majority opinion! They would be wrong because of bad arguments, bad evidence and bad interpretation. It's a very basic logical fallacy that isn't hard to understand that you two are gleefully committing here. If greater than 50 percent of scholars are agree on x, it does not follow at all that they are right about x!
“That he [Jesus] was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be.”
- Skeptical scholar John Dominic Crossan, “Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography” pg.145; to read, type in "crucified" in search box at http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/00606166...0060616628
I haven't heard any argument against the proposition I offered: Jesus was a real person. It is definitely a fallacy to argue that a majority opinion is wrong on the basis that it is a majority opinion. Two names were dropped as supposedly having opposition opinions, but I've heard no rebuttal and minority opinions are available to argue just about anything about Jesus a person could want believe.
Here are some extra biblical references by ancient non-christian historians and the locations where you can read what they said about Jesus:
Josephus, Jewish Historian Antiquities 18, chapter 3 http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-18.htm
Tacitus, Roman Historian Annals 15.44 http://www.chieftainsys.freeserve.co.uk/...nals15.htm
Lucian of Samsota, Greek Satirist The Works of Lucian, Vol. IV "The Death of Peregrin" http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/luc/wl4/wl420.htm (scroll down to 11)
Mara Bar-Serapion, Syrian prisoner A Letter of Mara, Son of Serapion (scroll down to just after footnote 19) http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/mara.html
Christianity is grounded in history, the facts of science, the rules of logic, and verifiable biblical truths.