(August 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:That wasn't the topic we were discussing.Quote:Nothing in this post suggests Jesus mythers are wrong SOLELY by virtue of the fact that they are in the minority.Yet we keep waiting for actual evidence that your godboy was walking around turning water into wine and healing lepers and all we get are the same..."all real scholars think so.... and then there are the gospels!"
Quote:Well, one of those scholars is Ehrman and he shits all over those gospels.That's what make Ehrman's statement that Jesus was a real person very credible. A thousand Christian apologists saying the same thing wouldn't have nearly the credibility.
Quote:Surely, even you can see that your case is exceptionally shitty? It's built on air and guesswork.It's built on data. Most critical scholars not only believe Jesus existed, but they also believe the following are true of Jesus.
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. He was buried.
3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.
4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).
5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).
6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.
7. The resurrection was the central message.
8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.
9. The Church was born and grew.
10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.
11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).
12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).
Disclaimer: This isn't a proof, just powerful inductive evidence. The majority opinion isn't the point of this post. The point is that critics like Bart Ehrman are strongly disinclined to accept historical evidence that isn't reasonably convincing by historical methods and standard. They don't accept historical assertions on faith and can't be dismissed as overzealous ideologues. Does this prove they are right? That would be impossible, it's not how history works.
Christianity is grounded in history, the facts of science, the rules of logic, and verifiable biblical truths.