(August 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Atom Wrote: It's built on data. Most critical scholars not only believe Jesus existed, but they also believe the following are true of Jesus.Since it's all based on data, you shouldn't have any trouble proving any of it.
In advance:
The Bible = mythology, not proof.
Church folklore =/= proof.
Raw assertions =/= proof.
Quote:1. Jesus died by crucifixion.Prove it
Quote:2. He was buried.Prove it.
Quote:3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.Prove it.
Quote:4. The tomb was empty (the most contested).Prove it. And WHICH tomb? There are two. Three if you count the recent one hyped by Cameron.
Quote:5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).Prove it.
Quote:6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.Prove it.
Quote:7. The resurrection was the central message.Prove it. The Ebioites certainly didn't agree. Neither did the Docetics.
Quote:8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem.Prove it.
Quote:9. The Church was born and grew.Which church? There were many different Christianities. As Ehrman points out in his research, Christianity didn't have a unified story on even basic theological issues until Nicaea.
Quote:10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.More like the pagans who were former sun worshippers that converted to Christianity moved the Sabbath to Sunday, in defiance of commandment #4.
Quote:11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).Prove it.
Quote:12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).Prove it.
Quote:Disclaimer: This isn't a proof, just powerful inductive evidence.
Actually, it's neither. It's folklore and Christian mythology backed assertions without a shred of proof.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
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