(August 29, 2012 at 8:06 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:It must be a very pretty carbuncle then. I think my cathedral and most cathedrals and churches in Britain very pretty
Yes religious building can be exquisite ;I've seen many in the UK, in Europe,and have been inside St Peter's in Rome .Some religious music is also sublime.So what? I did not criticise those things.
Your argument is called 'a strawman fallacy' If you want to have a rational discussion stick to the issues.IE in this case address the specific claims; dogma,parasitic clergy, obscene wealth and abuse of power.
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Quote:A straw man, known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
OK. This is what you said: "address the specific claims; dogma,parasitic clergy, obscene wealth and abuse of power."
Dogma - what's so bad about it? Let's name one. Virgin birth. That's in the Creed. But we all know it's a mistranslation of almah in Isaiah. St Matthew's writer didn't even read the Hebrew version because he was a Hellenistic Christian probably. He copied from the flawed Septuagint which translated almah as parthenos which is virgin. Everyone knows that but it's religious tradition to talk of the virgin birth. The Archbishop of Canterbury has declared that we should not compel new believers to accept the virgin birth. But we don't erase it from the Creed because that's the nature of religion/culture.
parasitic clergy - you mean RC paedophile priests? Don't know much about them. Jail them I say.
obscene wealth - RC only. The Church of England is quite poor.
abuse of power - that's ancient history. By tradition, our bishops sit in the House of Lords. But there's no abuse of power. If you object to that, you probably object to the monarchy too but that's nothing to do with religion.
All points answered.
