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Death without Dying
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RE: Death without Dying
My answer to the question is a resounding no. I think people are making a very subtle fallacy of equivocation when they talk about "the self" "dying" as if it were a living entity.

When somebody suffers complete amnesia, we tend to say "Dorine has forgotten who she is" or "Anthony is suffering a seemingly permanent memory loss". We don't say "Dorine is dead. We're currently waiting for a new person to inhabit her body". I think even the materialists are slipping into a slight dualism when they split the body and "mind" in such a way. Humans are dynamic and often change the way they think and act. They aren't dying inside, they're just changing. The biological machine still operates. There is still metabolism, respiration, reproductory capacities; the only difference is the way their brain works.

When somebody loses an arm, we don't say that they're occupying a new body or that they are a different person. Only that their body is changed. Now, if every single atom in this person's body gradually gets replaced and they are left with a whole new body, is it safe to say that their old body "died"? I don't personally think so. It's my contention that a living person is the physical expression of their genetic blueprint. The body isn't "alive", it is the person as a whole. What I mean to say is that regardless of which precise atoms occupy your body and regardless of what precise thoughts occupy your mind, "you", the person, will continue to live on as the physical expression of your genetic blueprint. If Eilonnwy had a crash and turned Jewish after having an operation leaving her with only half of her limbs intact, I'd still know her as Eilonnwy.

Overall, my personal belief is that if I had an accident and lost all of my memories, I wouldn't in any sense die. I would just change. The personality occupying this body would vanish and be replaced, but I wouldn't call it "death" as the personality occupying this body wasn't an independently living entity in the first place.


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LukeMC Wrote:Now, if every single atom in this person's body gradually gets replaced and they are left with a whole new body, is it safe to say that their old body "died"? I don't personally think so. It's my contention that a living person is the physical expression of their genetic blueprint. The body isn't "alive", it is the person as a whole. What I mean to say is that regardless of which precise atoms occupy your body and regardless of what precise thoughts occupy your mind, "you", the person, will continue to live on as the physical expression of your genetic blueprint

Just to make myself perfectly clear on this point, ask yourselves the following question: "Is a Hydrogen atom 'alive'?" No, it isn't. And a hydrogen molecule(H2)? A hydrocarbon(CnHn)? None of the component parts are alive. The living entity is the sum of all of these things put together. The body isn't alive, the mind isn't alive. The entity that encompasses both, the physical expression of the genes, the living creature, the home sapien, is alive.
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Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 12, 2009 at 5:59 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 12, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Secularone - September 12, 2009 at 8:03 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 12, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 12, 2009 at 10:35 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 12:30 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 12:48 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 12:53 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 1:02 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 1:06 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 1:24 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 11:50 am
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 8:19 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: Death without Dying - by padraic - September 13, 2009 at 8:34 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 8:37 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 8:56 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 9:57 am
RE: Death without Dying - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 9:02 am
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 9:29 am
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 10:46 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Death without Dying - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 11:05 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: Death without Dying - by downbeatplumb - September 13, 2009 at 11:38 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Darwinian - September 13, 2009 at 11:41 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 2:09 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 13, 2009 at 3:16 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 13, 2009 at 5:25 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 7:41 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by padraic - September 13, 2009 at 8:12 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by LukeMC - September 16, 2009 at 10:41 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 16, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Retorth - September 13, 2009 at 2:54 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 13, 2009 at 11:07 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by padraic - September 14, 2009 at 2:49 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 14, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Death without Dying - by leo-rcc - September 14, 2009 at 4:58 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Edwardo Piet - September 14, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: Death without Dying - by padraic - September 14, 2009 at 10:44 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Eilonnwy - September 14, 2009 at 11:01 am
RE: Death without Dying - by Violet - September 14, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by theVOID - September 14, 2009 at 10:20 pm
RE: Death without Dying - by puertopez - September 16, 2009 at 2:05 am
RE: Death without Dying - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2009 at 4:03 am
RE: Death without Dying - by puertopez - September 16, 2009 at 4:07 am

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