(September 2, 2012 at 2:47 am)Bteormt Wrote:(September 2, 2012 at 2:10 am)Godschild Wrote: Since you have purposed such a terrible thing then you must assume that God is real and who He says He is. With that said go to scripture and find this verse, God will allow no one to snatch a real believer from His hands, and I say true believer because they would be the only ones God would protect in that way. So now what do you think might happen to the torturer, I see it this way, God can do what ever He wants to in protecting the believer, so the torturer beware.
no i do not assume that god is real, i do not understand how you made the connection from my post to me assuming that
in an ideal christian's world, god would protect the victim from such horror but once again, christians also believe that god allows for free will and free reign --while on earth at least-- so according to such beliefs he would not intervene in any case
as can be seen in many examples of "evil" in our world. holocaust being the primary example raised here
You are the one who put forth this idea, since you've presented this to condemn God, you must assume He is real or your whole idea is a failure. Also your understanding of mans free will given us by God is severely lacking, until you can grasp the concepts you should refrain from have such a deluded vision.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
