RE: Where did the Jesus myth come from?
September 3, 2012 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2012 at 10:31 am by Atom.)
(September 3, 2012 at 3:11 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Ahem. Here's a list a former forum member constructed in order to get across the gravity of the problem, namely, that Jesus was nowhere to be found in history.Finally, we have something to discuss; a derivative of John Remsberg's list from The Christ. This list has been repeated without understanding in other books and on the internet. The way this list is used is severely flawed; even Remsberg didn't conclude that Jesus was a myth. There are a lot of problems with the list such as:
1) Some of the writers do mention Jesus.
2) Most of these writers clearly wouldn't be expected to write about Jesus
3) Many of the writers never mentioned Jews.
4) Many never mentioned Christians, though they are known to have been around.
If you've only read one side on this topic and blindly believe what you read without also reading the other side try:
Holding, James Patrick, Shattering the Christ Myth - This book fully addresses the "silence" argument mentioned here, and a variety of copycat religion ideas, some of which I've seen mentioned here, and Hollywood's myth mistakes.
If you have limited time to read on this topic try the following link, which includes a discussion of Philo:
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/remslist.html
The post that went along with the list below stated a lot of things as "facts" but those "facts" are highly disputed and amount to cherry picking ideas that are dubious at best to make an argument rather than applying good historical methodology and weighing the evidence. Each of the ideas presented has a moderate to low likelihood of accuracy, but for them all to be correct makes the probability for the accuracy of the conclusion very small.
Phil Wrote:These are the silent 40.
1. Josephus
2. Philo
3. Seneca
4. Pliny the Elder
5. Suetonius
6. Juvenal
7. Martial
8. Persius
9. Plutarch
10. Justus of Tiberias
11. Apollonius
12. Pliny the Younger
13. Tacitus
14. Quintilian
15. Lucanus
16. Epictetus
17. Silius Italicus
18. Statius
19. Ptolemy
20. Valerius Maximus
21. Arrian
22. Petronius
23. Dion Pruseus
24. Paterculus
25. Appian
26. Theon of Smyrna
27. Phlegon
28. Pomponius Mela
29. Quintius Curtius
30. Lucian
31. Pausanias
32. Valerius Flaccus
33. Florus Lucius
34. Favorinius
35. Phaedrus
36. Damis
37. Aulus Gellius
38. Columella
39. Dio Chrysostom
40. Appion of Alexandria
Christianity is grounded in history, the facts of science, the rules of logic, and verifiable biblical truths.