RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.
September 18, 2012 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm by Puddleglum.)
You do know in Christianity it is not the 'Christian' who is to convince you of anything right? Our sole responsiablity begins and ends with directing those who want to know God to the path He perscribes to find Him.
So the loons badgering me in the street are doing what exactly?
If you choose in your heart not to want to be with God then it would be wrong to force you to accept Him. In short it is God's responsiablity to provide you what you need to achieve belief and help you maintain it.
It would help if 'God' actually bothered to ask me. he hasn't so it really isn't my choice to reject him since he hasn't actually manifested. I can hardly reject something that doesn't exist. If it is his responsibility to provide me with what I need to believe then he has done a pretty poor job
If I were still a Christian I'd tell you that it doesn't work that way. You can't be convinced into believing something.
I am convinced into believing things all the time. I don't believe something , then I acquire proof that something is true then I believe it. No faith necessary
Otherwise if knowledge was given to you then you don't actually 'believe' but just simply 'know' god is real.
Knowledge is 'Justified true belief' (and yes I am well aware of Gettier), basic epistemology. Believing something without it being justified is an absurd strategy and quite impossible for anyone who thinks logically.
Trust me Puddleglum, their god doesn't give a shit about you, if he did he wouldn't be constantly reminding you to "seek for him." He'd get off his lazy ass and save you like any REAL father would do.
Well quite. As I have said elsewhere is a shepherd treated his own lambs like God treats his creation i'd give him the sack
Even then it always seemed to me that worship was an odd sort of thing for anything to want. I don't want it from my dog. Wanting worship pretty much disqualifies any god from getting it from me.
yes, I always had a problem with that. Why would you create something merely to have it worship you? You would have to have a serious lack of self esteem if you did that
Translating it into plain language: Ofcourse Christians can't provide logical or rational arguments for god's existence. You first have to convince yourself without any reason and then we'll tell you what to do. And even though you said "no heartwarming stories or blackmail" - here's some of that anyway.
Yes, spot on again. They have and won't provide me with any logical reason to believe in god, indeed they actually demonstrated to me the fallacy of their argument since they claim that it is God's duty to give me enough evidence.
He has failed to do so so ,ipso facto he either i) doesn't exist or ii) as well as being a homicidal maniac is a bumbling moron.
generally we lock up homicidal bumbling morons for the safety of themselves and others
So the loons badgering me in the street are doing what exactly?
If you choose in your heart not to want to be with God then it would be wrong to force you to accept Him. In short it is God's responsiablity to provide you what you need to achieve belief and help you maintain it.
It would help if 'God' actually bothered to ask me. he hasn't so it really isn't my choice to reject him since he hasn't actually manifested. I can hardly reject something that doesn't exist. If it is his responsibility to provide me with what I need to believe then he has done a pretty poor job
If I were still a Christian I'd tell you that it doesn't work that way. You can't be convinced into believing something.
I am convinced into believing things all the time. I don't believe something , then I acquire proof that something is true then I believe it. No faith necessary
Otherwise if knowledge was given to you then you don't actually 'believe' but just simply 'know' god is real.
Knowledge is 'Justified true belief' (and yes I am well aware of Gettier), basic epistemology. Believing something without it being justified is an absurd strategy and quite impossible for anyone who thinks logically.
Trust me Puddleglum, their god doesn't give a shit about you, if he did he wouldn't be constantly reminding you to "seek for him." He'd get off his lazy ass and save you like any REAL father would do.
Well quite. As I have said elsewhere is a shepherd treated his own lambs like God treats his creation i'd give him the sack
Even then it always seemed to me that worship was an odd sort of thing for anything to want. I don't want it from my dog. Wanting worship pretty much disqualifies any god from getting it from me.
yes, I always had a problem with that. Why would you create something merely to have it worship you? You would have to have a serious lack of self esteem if you did that
Translating it into plain language: Ofcourse Christians can't provide logical or rational arguments for god's existence. You first have to convince yourself without any reason and then we'll tell you what to do. And even though you said "no heartwarming stories or blackmail" - here's some of that anyway.
Yes, spot on again. They have and won't provide me with any logical reason to believe in god, indeed they actually demonstrated to me the fallacy of their argument since they claim that it is God's duty to give me enough evidence.
He has failed to do so so ,ipso facto he either i) doesn't exist or ii) as well as being a homicidal maniac is a bumbling moron.
generally we lock up homicidal bumbling morons for the safety of themselves and others
