(September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 18, 2012 at 9:52 am)greneknight Wrote: Nobody chooses in his heart not to believe in God.I did. I Choose not to believe in God till He showed Himself to me. I know I am not the only one who feel/felt this way.
No, you did not CHOOSE not to believe in God. Don't you see? For someone to choose not to believe in God, God must have been real to him in the first place. He must believe there is god for him to choose to oppose that belief. But for most sane people, we don't believe there is god in the first place. The bugger just is as non-existent as a pink unicorn. Can you understand this?
(September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 18, 2012 at 9:52 am)greneknight Wrote: It's just that God is playing such a wonderfully successful game of hide-and-seek that there is not the smallest trace of evidence of his existence.So.. You Choose not to believe in God untill your prerequsits have been met? Sounds like a familiar story.
Say I tell you now that there is a hopping giant kangaroo that sings "God Save the Queen" and he hops through the streets of Sydney, London and New York every Monday and the streets of Paris, Brussels and Rome every Friday. Can you choose to believe or choose not to believe that story? Chances are (I'm assuming you are sane) you just don't believe it. It's not a matter of choice. If you say it's a matter of choice to disbelieve, it should also be a matter of choice to believe it. Can you honestly say you can exercise the choice to believe in the story? I hope this will illustrate to you that belief (for us sane people) isn't a choice.
(September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 18, 2012 at 9:52 am)greneknight Wrote: Anyone with some intelligence is bound to conclude that a being that claims to be all-loving, all-compassionate and interfering in human affairs and even answers prayers (can you believe that?)Only if you can show book chapter and verse. Otherwise I would dismiss these claims as religious well wishing. I would contend that God does not claim these things. If you do all you have to provide is book chapter and verse.
Please don't be evasive this time. Are you saying God is:
1. Not all-loving
2. Not all compassionate
3. does not interfere in human affairs (are you a deist?)
4. does not answer prayer?
To say he does or is any of the above is just religious well wishing?
Please answer the question and don't just go on to something as you frequently do.
(September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 18, 2012 at 9:52 am)greneknight Wrote: should at least leave a blazing trail of evidence of his existence.Why would He do that? Were we not put on this earth to make an eternal choice as to where we WANT to spend eternity? The WANT in that desision would be Gone if There was absolute proof. Everyone would make their desision on the basis of self preservation and Love/Want for God would have nothing to do with their desision. As it is now there is room for the self righteous to truthfully judge God according to his own hearts desire and their eternal fates truly reflect the condition of their heart and not the need to save themselves from eternal seperation/The second death.
Are you speaking in tongues? I don't understand what you are saying. My precise sentence is this: "Anyone with some intelligence is bound to conclude that a being that claims to be all-loving, all-compassionate and interfering in human affairs and even answers prayers (can you believe that?) should at least leave a blazing trail of evidence of his existence." Your reply "Why would he do that?" is wrong. It's irrelevant. Whether God wants to do that or not is immaterial. I'm saying if he has such an impact on earth and if he interferes in human affairs at all, he would most certainly leave a blazing trail of evidence. You can't interfere in human affairs and still appear non-existent. The abominable snowman can appear non-existent because it doesn't claim to interfere in human affairs.
(September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 18, 2012 at 9:52 am)greneknight Wrote: But to have zilch evidence speaks loudly of his non-existence. Atheists and rational Christians are just being honest when we dispute the supernatural bits of religion.To this I agree 100%. However to those who ask, seek and Knock as Christ commands in Luke 11 God promises to provide 'proof.' This is so that the 'believer' knows of the choice He had made is a legitmate one. This 'proof' is for the believer specifically and can be eaisly dismissed by others. Why? to perserve the intergerity of their desisions.
Do you ask, seek and knock on the door of Allah or Brahmin, or Buddha? Do you seek the existence of fairies, leprechauns and pixies? What I can't understand is how you can't extricate yourself from your obviously highly brainwashed position just to see what the rational world is thinking. When you write this way, it's very obvious to those of us who aren't so terribly brainwashed that you are talking rot. But interestingly, you can't see it and you think you are persecuted for Christ and you smile to yourself, believing no doubt that the Lord is preparing a beautiful mansion in the sky for you. If you were Muslim, you'd believe Allah is selecting 77 virgins for you. Don't you see how laughably deluded supernatural-believing Christians and Muslims are?
