RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.
September 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm by Mystic.)
I think most of you are looking proof for a Creator as opposed to God.
Proof of God has to be within. For example, if there were miracles being done constantly or he sent a billion books that could not be damaged or changed in all sorts of languages, delivering the same message, even then, you would not know God is real (based on that). It can be an advanced civilization trying to control us/guide us or even if we knew for sure it was the Creator, then he could be lying for all we know if we have no knowledge of the Creator.
The only way to know God is by reliance on something that is properly basic.
Even vision of glory of God, if you can't see that glory is eternal and points to an ultimately high origin, then you can't know that vision of glory is truly that of God or made up in your head.
At the end, the experience has to be properly basic.
Now to be honest, I don't know why Atheists don't all experience this. I don't.
But I also don't know why some people don't believe in (objective) morality.
I also don't understand why some people don't believe in free-will.
I feel we can experience that we are freely choosing, for example. We also have something in us telling us there is goodness and morality, even if we aren't quite sure of all it's details and applications.
Perhaps for some it's due to the fact humans begin to question things, and then many then doubt everything they know, but maybe let doubt take over too much.
Perhaps for some it's due to the fact they couldn't know how they know, so they decided it's impossible that they knew.
Perhaps for some it is because they are following authority and scientific community seems to emphasize on evidentialism.
Perhaps for some they emotionally invested a lot in a false concept of the Creator, and then when disbelieved in that, didn't try to look within of what beauty and glory they truly worship and believed in all along.
Perhaps for some is because such a belief is no intellectual but spiritual, and feel spirituality is for the weak and petty minded, due to how education is presenting the issue.
I don't know...perhaps none of these are reasons.
Proof of God has to be within. For example, if there were miracles being done constantly or he sent a billion books that could not be damaged or changed in all sorts of languages, delivering the same message, even then, you would not know God is real (based on that). It can be an advanced civilization trying to control us/guide us or even if we knew for sure it was the Creator, then he could be lying for all we know if we have no knowledge of the Creator.
The only way to know God is by reliance on something that is properly basic.
Even vision of glory of God, if you can't see that glory is eternal and points to an ultimately high origin, then you can't know that vision of glory is truly that of God or made up in your head.
At the end, the experience has to be properly basic.
Now to be honest, I don't know why Atheists don't all experience this. I don't.
But I also don't know why some people don't believe in (objective) morality.
I also don't understand why some people don't believe in free-will.
I feel we can experience that we are freely choosing, for example. We also have something in us telling us there is goodness and morality, even if we aren't quite sure of all it's details and applications.
Perhaps for some it's due to the fact humans begin to question things, and then many then doubt everything they know, but maybe let doubt take over too much.
Perhaps for some it's due to the fact they couldn't know how they know, so they decided it's impossible that they knew.
Perhaps for some it is because they are following authority and scientific community seems to emphasize on evidentialism.
Perhaps for some they emotionally invested a lot in a false concept of the Creator, and then when disbelieved in that, didn't try to look within of what beauty and glory they truly worship and believed in all along.
Perhaps for some is because such a belief is no intellectual but spiritual, and feel spirituality is for the weak and petty minded, due to how education is presenting the issue.
I don't know...perhaps none of these are reasons.
