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OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God.
(September 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Am I mistaken in this, does a premise which contains a necessary condition not have to be expressed as "if and only if", as opposed to sufficient conditions "if"?

I had two classes that I learned logic in, and we never discussed necessary or sufficient conditions. Or if we did, I don't remember.

But "if and only if" is double implication.

It would mean A -> B and B -> A both.

If and only if , would be mean both A and B are sufficient and necessary conditions of each other.

In without double implication.

A -> B

B is a necessary condition for A, but A is not a required for B, rather is proves B if true, while B can be true without A being true.

Quote:If you get an A, you will pass the class - sufficient
If and only if you get an A, you will pass the class - necessary

No, If you get an A, you will pass the class, has both a necessary and sufficient clause.

Getting A is sufficient for passing the class, but passing the class is a necessary requirement for getting an A.

In the case of if and only if, statement, it's double implication.

It means these two sentences both.

IF you get an A, you will pass the class.
If you pass the class, you will get an A.

They are then both sufficient and necessary conditions of each other.

Each has to be true for the other to be true, and if one is true, then the other is true.
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OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Puddleglum - September 18, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 18, 2012 at 9:24 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 18, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 19, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 19, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 19, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 19, 2012 at 11:31 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 20, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 20, 2012 at 12:28 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Cinjin - September 18, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 18, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by TaraJo - September 18, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Cato - September 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Phish - September 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 19, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 19, 2012 at 8:26 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Polaris - September 18, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 19, 2012 at 7:52 am
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Polaris - September 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Drich - September 20, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by Waratah - September 20, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: OK Christians. your chance. Convince me of God. - by MysticKnight - September 21, 2012 at 2:12 pm

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