RE: Something all theists should all keep in mind.
September 22, 2012 at 2:56 am
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2012 at 2:57 am by Angrboda.)
(September 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Darkstar Wrote:(September 21, 2012 at 9:59 pm)catfish Wrote: Define "parts". Feel free to define it for Mr Harris if you must, just pick a solid fact and keep telling me I must agree.
The reason why you can't have a logical discussion with theists is because you only accept your own logic being correct...
We are allowed to redifine logic? There is a dictionary because there are objective meanings to certain words and concepts. It's not so much the content of the argument, but the rules of logic themselves that must remain constant for the debate to go anywhere.
Actually, you are allowed to define your own logic. In another thread here there was a discussion about just that topic. One of the things I find sometimes disconcerting (massive generalization alert) is the tendency of atheists, skeptics, humanists and the like is to simplify things down until they fit their model which makes them feel good about their choices and bad about everybody else's. (A quick example, I just had my first meeting with a "heathen bible study" group, and the organizer right out of the gate wanted to interpret every passage as hand-crafted as a tool for the elite to manipulate and control the sheep. We eventually got onto other theories about the nature of religion but her control theory, but this person had great difficulty seeing any turn of phrase as anything but a dastardly, finely crafted tool for depriving the masses of their freedom.) Unfortunately, when the world gets simplified to that extent, it often becomes untrue. I've lost whatever point I originally had, but I think part of being a skeptic or free thinker is being open to the world telling you things that differ from what you want to say. And I'm sure I'm equally guilty in my own way, it's just rather strange to see people who despise dogma trying to codify the world into dogmatic and well behaved little bits. The world is messy, complicated and deep. And to steal from that expression that "Evolution is smarter than you," it's good to keep in mind that Nature is often smarter than you as well. A billion neurons in the brain and that's the substance out of which your world models come. If it sounds to good to be true (too obvious, self-evident, too clean, well-behaved, whatever), then it probably is.
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