(September 19, 2012 at 9:50 am)greneknight Wrote:(September 19, 2012 at 9:33 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: This image sums up, in entirety, the problem we atheists have when we try to have logical conversations with you:
You simply won't.
Which is why I have been arguing for rational Christianity, a religion that is stripped of its supernatural nonsense. And it's funny that atheists are opposing me like I have done something wrong.
You are doing something wrong. You are not applying the same logic you use to reject the fantastic claims in the bible and applying it to the naked assertion starting point of the claim that a non material being is even a possibility.
I call bullshit on your response. And I also would have said bullshit to Jefferson too when he put out his "Jefferson bible".
No "supernatural" at all really? Can I hold you to that claim?
Funny, if there is absoulutely nothing super natural about the bible what would you call a non material disembodied brain with no location that is everywhere and nowhere at the same time?
Isn't your main character beyond nature? Because if he is merley natural, then he should be a physical human like us and would die like us. So in order for the god concept to work it has to be super natural, even before you get to word one of the bible, even if the bible itself is stripped of all the magic, it is still a book that people claim was handed to them from their tin foil hats from an invisible sky daddy.
If invisible sky daddys(incert name here) are not super natural then you really do have me stumpped.
You are merely doing psychological back peddling failing to realize back at the time when those books were written, people litterally believed the fantastic claims in them, and I can not think of a more fantastic claim than an invisible being(by any name).
You did what Jefferson did, you clung to the notion of a kind super hero, but knew the baggage of the fantastic claims wouldn't wash scientifically. So how does an invisible being, regardless of the book, any less fantastic a claim than the fantastic claims you water down and fool yourself that that is not what you are doing?
So if there is no magic in the bible and it is just a book of fairy tales then all you are peddling is a social club, not any real scientific reality.