(September 28, 2012 at 5:44 am)pocaracas Wrote: Kirk: "What does god need with a starship?"Because if He did then your ablity to choose your eternal fate goes out the window. For if God presented himself to you then your response would be one of self preservation and not faith/love. For what faith is needed to believe that God is real when God stands before you? God is not the one who needs the star ship here. we need it.
Why does god required you to tell me about him?
Can't he do it himself?
Quote:You see, from my standing point, you may have been deceived into believing something which is wrong. After all, you're just human. You and all religious people on the planet are just human and are very likely deceived by other humans of the fact that the divine exists.your belief is based on a big assumption: That our belief is limited to what happens in Church. God (for me at least) has proven Himself to me over and over again. There is nothing in or our of the church that could convince me otherwise.
Quote:Why can't god present himself to all mankind, repeatedly, for all to know? Why must we accept what the people that come before us say? That looks like a very flawed system and one that will lead to diverging statements regarding the "original" deity(s) - if he/they exist.If you know of God before you make your desision then your desision will be based on self preservation. God does not want that for us. Now after we have decided to seek God out as illustrated in Luke 11 we get indivisual proof of God.
Quote:If he gave you something, why doesn't he give it to everyone?Because 'they' do not ask, seek, or knock as luke 11 tells us to.
Quote:Why must I be first convinced that he exists and then convince myself that some psychological mumbo-jumbo is proof that my original conviction was true?To perserve the one true 'free will' choice we actually been given.
Why?
Quote:The Egyptian religion lasted for about 4000 years.... until ~year 0, and Julius Cesar.You've missed the point.
They had a cult of the dead; a belief in the afterlife; They had to pass some judgement to enter the afterlife....
Just read:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topi...f-the-dead Wrote:It was thought that the next world might be located in the area around the tomb (and consequently near the living); on the “perfect ways of the West,” as it is expressed in Old Kingdom invocations; among the stars or in the celestial regions with the sun god; or in the underworld, the domain of Osiris. One prominent notion was that of the “Elysian Fields,” where the deceased could enjoy an ideal agricultural existence in a marshy land of plenty. The journey to the next world was fraught with obstacles. It could be imagined as a passage by ferry past a succession of portals, or through an “Island of Fire.” One crucial test was the judgment after death, a subject often depicted from the New Kingdom onward. The date of origin of this belief is uncertain, but it was probably no later than the late Old Kingdom. The related text, Chapter 125 of the Book of the Dead, responded magically to the dangers of the judgment, which assessed the deceased’s conformity with maat. Those who failed the judgment would “die a second time” and would be cast outside the ordered cosmos. In the demotic story of Setna (3rd century bce), this notion of moral retribution acquired overtones similar to those of the Christian judgment after death.
And this is just one of the better documented ancient religions (discounting greek and roman). All around the world, people had cults related to the dead. It's probably one of the main reasons why religion came to be. The denial of the end brought forth by the biological death.