RE: Divine Inspiration
September 29, 2012 at 8:38 am
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2012 at 8:54 am by Drich.)
(September 29, 2012 at 12:51 am)FallentoReason Wrote:Drich Wrote:For those of you who are slow to reason and comperhend:
The Bible is the inspired word of God and is complete. that said 'we' are not required to understand all of it nor are we held to what we can not comperhend or reconsile. we are only responsiable to what we have been entrusted with. whatever little peice of God's word you have been given the capasity to understand over the course of your life, that is what God will hold you accountable to.
So what happens when someone decides to extend Mark by 12 verses and make it finish at 16:20? What then? I don't understand how you can assert that the Bible is without error.
we've had this discussion several times now. It does not matter when mark ends. The bible is a tool, and in it's role it is the complete inspired word of God. Now if we are only responsiable for what we have been given to understand. Which can only ever be a small portion of all the bible contains. Meaning we will have cut the bible short in our own capasity to comperhend it. Or in our studies if we have been given over to insight and explaination that goes beyond the written words of a given translation in a particular passage, then we in effect have extended the message, and again are responsiable to share it.
The Bible is complete in the purpose in which God intended. Your question suggests that you are looking to worship or deify the bible itself as a means to worship God.(In that the bible needs to be perfect as you imagine God to be perfect) Almost like a reliquary/item or a sort of idol worship. This is yet another 1000 year old false concept of worship. Because again the bible is a tool. We are not to worship the hand tools of the Master Builder. We are to Worship the Master Builder Himself.
(September 29, 2012 at 12:57 am)Darkstar Wrote:Quote:No, it does not reflect a picture of morality that I can identify with. That is the whole point. It reflects a warped picture of morality that only people of that time period would identify with.
No it didn't! Have you not heard of the marytars of the first century church? Or the any of the ones that followed? Saul/Paul himself identified and slaughtered Christians. Christianity was not welcomed into the mainstream until the church leaders saw how it could be used to exploit the population. Which is why we call that period the Dark ages.
Quote: If god had written it, then the moral laws laid down would all still be applicable now."You shall have no other God's before me. Keep the sabbath day, You shall not commit adultry, If you look at a woman with a lustful eye it is the same as commiting adultry. If you have anger in your heart it is the same as murder."
So your saying these So you are saying these OT and NT laws would be apart of man 'moral code' (you said moral) even if God did not command them?
Quote:I don't know what 'Law" you are referring to and I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I don't know what atonment is, especially since I didn't say anything about atonement.The complete law of God that points to the need for attonement as the only means of righteousness. The law that tells us that we can not ever possiably hope to be 'moral' enough to warrant eternal life with God.
Quote:(or are you referring to atonment for original sin? I could easily discredit the validity of original sin if need be...)So can I
(September 29, 2012 at 1:05 am)FallentoReason Wrote: [quote="Drich"] In that if the bible was man's idea of God it would reflect a picture a 'morality' you would be able to identify withDo you identify with Paul's sexism then? Because I can't... and that makes me the immoral one supposedly?
Nope. But that does not mean I ignore it either.
Also stop using morality as any kind of standard. It not. We are all 'immoral' all of the time. to say you or I are 'moral' is foolish. Because neither of us can possiable be up to par with God righteous standard. That means we have to default our 'morality' to the ever declining standards of the pop culture. which is completely meaningless.