Jews don't get a pass "just because"

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It has very much become a national goal: do you really think that Theodor Herzl, the founder of zionism, was the best jew around?
He even opposed the "chosen people" type of superiority claims, even though he had in his mind the boundaries of the Torah. This is due to the fact that there is no other source that describes the Jewish homelands better in detail.

I do not know whether Theodor Herzl was the best jew around at the time, but he was not the founder of zionism. I also do not see how what you have written supports your claim that it has very little to do with religion.

He was the founder of zionism. Zionists of today look back to him for guidance in terms of ideological matters.

The founders of Israel were largely secular people. Their reason to look back to the Torah for guidance was that the Jewish national identity was interwoven with the religious Jewish identity. Even the most secular Jewish nationalist of today looks into the future, and dreams of the conquest and subjugation of the "promised lands" in the Torah. Why else would these people leave their lands, homes and everything else behind, come to Israel, and learn to speak hebrew?
The jews that constitute today's Israel have traditionally spoken many hybrid languages, such as yiddish, ladino, judeo-tat, arabic and etc.
Now, they have formed a true nation, with a single language, and single identity, and it was formed on the basis of the Torah, a book that the Jews look back to when asking themselves "who or what is a jew?".
Todays jews are an ethnic identity. They are all descendants of the same semites that have been evicted from Judea by the Romans.
To confirm this, they look back to what religion those Jews had. And today's jews share the same religion, even if they don't believe in it. Still, ethnicity, and the consciousness relating to it still remains.

Mind you, the only jews who oppose Israel are the really hardcore, orthodox Jews.

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It is a lie to me if any Muslim who supports Palistine says they wont set up a Muslim state. And it is a lie to say that a Jewish state will be neutral as far a governance. To whatever degree both would be setting up pecking orders.

But the motivation behind the support is more important than anything, friend.
I can't say the same for a muslim arab, however, for muslim arabs could, and probably do support Palestine with more nationalistic intents, rather than a religious one. But non-arab muslims do this due to extensive religious fanboyism. For example neither me, nor any friends of mine support Palestine, however we do not support the opposing party either.
We see this as an ethnic matter that does not concern us.
Besides, what have the arabs, or palestinian arabs done for religious unity? Nothing. They even have christians amongst them, who are just as patriotic and nationalistic as the muslim arabs on he issue of Palestine.

It isn't a demand that tradition go away, just that a govenment cannot nor should, if it claims to value pluralism, play favorites or give special pleading to one religion over another.

It's not a matter of religion, friend. Did you know that there are very patriotic muslim Israelis? They are muslim, but they are not arabs, but circassians, brought there during the days of the Turks, as conscripts, and stayed there. They do not support the arabs, even though they are co-religionists.
Israel is very neutral in that regard. But all I'm saying is this. There are no religious tensions there. Only ethnic ones.