Jews don't get a pass "just because"

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Don't argue with him Brian - he'll keep espousing his nationalist tendencies till kingdom come.

If it were just my argument, I would not have brought it up.
All communities that can be rightfully regarded "nations" have had such tendencies. And most of them still do.

We are living in an increasingly global society. Those who decide they need to hold on to particular strips of land based on history and that they have some sort of fucking "right" to them because of race or religion are backwards and retarded.

And what has this global society of yours done for the people of the world? Nothing, nothing more than to bring about destruction and to establish the hegemony of a single people over others, with the promises of peace and prosperity. I say that the world is much better off if individual nations thrive and develop independently, while maintaining friendly relations of commerce and trade, but your global society aims for the slavery of smaller groups of like-minded people, something what we call imperialism.
I'm determined to fight this so called fancy representation of modern imperial agenda to my last drop of blood, while you are only bent on perpetrating it, for you cannot live without it.

Historical rights and cultural rights are the heart and soul of a nation. Without history and culture, a nation is no more than a nation than a colony of ants, which are a structured society, but do not keep records, and have no real consciousness or agenda besides their base needs, and their hive-minded mentality.
Is this what you envision the world to be, friend?

the "historical claim" argument is amongst the greatest bullshit arguments cricling arround.
2000 years ago jews lived there so let`s give all of the land to them! ...............?

How about, let them take it if they have power to do so?
Great deeds are not written with ink and pen, but with blood and the sharp tip of a bayonet.
Similarly, if the people that live on the land in the present are unable to resist them, what can one do?
Both sides have their legitimate claims, which means that only war can solve this dispute. This is the law of the world.

well, one might aswell rebuild the first caliphate and completly disolve the nation of Israel and Spain to give the iberian peninsular to the arabs.

Latins and celtiberians lived there long before the arabs strided in. That's why the Spaniards, who are the collective of these called their vendetta against them "reconquista".
You cannot do anything. Any people, who have claims on a particular piece of land, ought to take it by their own might, or fail while trying to do so.
"Let's give this land to those" or "lets give that land to them" are the words that fall out of the mouth of an imperialist, and nations formed in such ways are nothing but mere puppets, ready to fall at the next breeze after their masters withdraw their support for them.

why not give a quater of poland back to germany and belarus and the ukrain back to russia?

You always talk about giving. Who has given anything to anyone in this world? There is no giving anything to anyone. There is only taking.
Since no one gave a quarter of Poland to Germany, Germany sought to take it by his own might, and succeeded for a period of time.
Similarly, the Jews had to fight for that particular piece of land that they sit on today. They did have assitance from the western world however, and if the west were to withdraw it's support, and if the arabs were to unite, the jews would lean back to their trusty old tactic of buggering off, although I'm sure that they too, will resist for some time until they can safely evacuate themselves to any country that will offer them refuge in such a case.

when i choose my arguments on current geopolitical disputes i choose my argument on the bases of what the current political situation is like and what would be the best outcome with the lowest amount of damage being inflicted and not to rebuild some historic and long gone empire.

There is no "low" amount of damage when it comes to geopolitical issues.
If there are two parties, engaged in a dispute, someone has to lose, and someone has to win. For now, everything is in a stalamate. The jews are still there, but so are the arabs, and their will to retake what they have lost.
But the arabs are foolish, in that they weep like a woman, for something that they could not defend like a man. I do not like such antics. And the jews too, are eager to play out on their past misfortunes to gain sympathy of others.
It's a low thing to do.