Divine Inspiration

[Drich]

True, but what is the consistency? How do we know for sure that the whole text wasn't mistranslated to remain consistent with an single error? We don't, although this would not be the most logical conclusion to come to...

this is where you spend the next 20 or so years studying these texts for yourself or have faith that those who have were faithful to their charge.

The problem is, scientists don't look for evidence of god, nor do they avoid it.

you would like to think so.

We simply look at everything they know and ask ouselves "does what they have discovered suggest that there must be a god?"

God is the God of the known universe and put into place all of the processes that science is just now beginning to explain. Just because you have been able to figure out what God has done doesn't mean God didn't orginally do it in the first place.

Okay, that isn't what I thought you meant. The thing is, is there archeological evidence that Moses even existed?

Take any random person of that time period (not a king/pharroah or anyone of clout) and ask the same question. Does it mean that only the well to do existed then?

Take Noah's Ark, for instance. This is perhaps the least believeable story in the whole bible. Many people, even pastors, have re-interpreted it as simply metaphor. Where, then, do we draw the line at what is and isn't metaphor? Surely they would agree that Jesus wasn't metaphor, but perhaps Jesus was wrong, and everyone else was right about god after all...

Many more pastors believe that the ark was an actual event. Why should we look to the minority to set the standard of what this religion stands for?

We were? Well, I guess, sort of... I mentioned the ten commandments, which were part of the OT. Of course, we can skip over the OT as simply metaphor if you would like to.

Or we can look at it as a seperate religion "Old Testament Judisim."

Can't there? What if your time limit is till death? Will god never supply an answer until you die?

Then one can go before God with a life well spent.

If we consider the mere possibility, even for a moment, that god might not exist, you will realize why that reasoning fails for the same reason telling someone they will know when they die fails

..And subsequently if you consider the mere possiablity that I have found what it is I was told to ask, seek and knock for the you will understand why your reasoning fails.. Because the promises that are found in the bible as still a valid way of discovering God. Why is it do you think this religion is still in practice after so many years? It is because we find what it is we are looking for.

We cannot verify this. For someone who believes, they can easily convince themselves that any sign is god contacting them, whereas a skeptic would write it off as a natural event

One event maybe, but a series of these types of events over a life time is

That was a typo. I meant to say 'I, for one, am asking now'

What are you asking for. I know you want an example of something but do not remember what it is.

From what I understand, you said that in traditional jewish storytelling, the story is recounted in its main points, and then a more detailed summary is goven, correct? I don't understand why the two accounts disagree on chronology.
excerpt from Genesis 1:So, at the beginning of the chapter, it says that it was the seventh day. Later in the chapter, Adam is created. In genesis 1, Adam was created on day six.

Again in the orginal format there wasn't a "Genesis 1, nor a Genesis2 nor any numbers denoting verses. It was just the story of creation. The numbers denoting Chapter and verse were added several thousand years later to make study easier, subsequently these numbers also suggest a chronology that the orginal message did not contain. There are bibles avaiable without Chapter and verse notations. If you can over look this study aid you can get a feel of how the orginal text was written.

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27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

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excerpt from Genesis 2:

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Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done....
5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

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Okay, but maybe it would be better to focus the debate, rather than going point by point, because that is getting kind of messy.

I go line by line because in reality there is little to debate if you saw the error in your understanding of what is being discussed. Going line by line I can show you where your understanding and logic is in error. I can not responsiably debate these points because your points do not accuratly reflect the scripture you want to discuss.
No offense intended.

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Because Christianity is not a method based religion. That is biblical Christianity does not hinge on Methodistic worship. The Focous of biblical Christianity is based on ones personablities and what that person has been exposed to. a primise that is repeated over and over again. Only those who look to the method of Christian worship as having to be a certain way or follow a certain formula would have issue with what you are trying to point out. If you take issue then you do not understand the bible.

I find that all these explanations avoid the issue and simply say "nevermind that issue, it's the truth because it just is".

Actually I am saying never mind the issue you bring up because it does not reflect the topic you claim you want to discuss. What you have done is approached biblical Christianity from a roman catholic foundation. Which only accounts for about 1/3 of the world Christian population. You are tring to compare apples to oranges. The primary reason being is a biblical based Christianity starts and stops with in the pages of the bible. The R/C church starts and stops on what the men who wear the biggest hats in that religion thinks. Not really the same thing.