Jews don't get a pass "just because"

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You're the only one I ever see arguing that viewpoint with any sort of seriousness. I don't give a shit about the others. Also, other people sharing your viewpoint without bringing some sort of logic and evidence for it merely means they agree with your jabber - not that you have a good idea. Argument ad populum is a fallacy.

It does not matter what bydlos think about nationalism. They don't even know what a nation is, or what constitutes a nation, or what ethnic/national consciousness is. This is why they vote according to their present, base needs, and bring the issue of nationalism during the course of drinking with friends. They are ideologically hungry and ignorant.

The law and order of this world was tested throughout history. Multi-national empires fell one by one, replaced by smaller countries, based on people who share common heritage, virtues and language.
This was the only way that peace could actually exist. As you see, no one really wants to become the minority living under the hand of another majority that is the dominant "people" within that country, unless they are fed materialism as to forget their own national needs, in favor of base materialism. For the present day, the US is this country that promises only wealth and luxury to it's citizens, while telling them to put whatever identities they have or had in the past, aside to live out the American dream. But it too, is slowly collapsing. People are getting more and more restless. As there is nothing more than materialism that keeps the people together, it will eventually fall.

Exclusion of others due to pride in oneself is an elitist, bullshit way of acting and is the reason I hate particular conservatives in this country, which was founded on the backs of immigrants, many of whom the conservatives of all economic strata wish to keep out because they play better, work better, and study more than they do. The earth is not an orange to slice up and be eaten by whomever can lay fastest claim to the section.

I don't exclude you out of the picture because you're different than me. I exclude you out because I have my own kindred to live with. Why would I need you? What good are you to me? You have no historical, cultural, ethnic, linguistic or any ties at all, to me, and your loyalty to the cause and welbeing of my people is very much under debate in my eyes. And judging from history, our people have suffered enough by trusting foreigners instead of our own kin, while others thrived doing by doing the quite opposite.

And similarly, why should I trust you to help me while your own people need help, say? I do not accept this mentality. I ought to help myself, and my people, before I even think of helping someone who is not of me. It's just logical to do so. Why would you give out your monthly pay to someone you don't know, while your children are starving back home? Why would you help a stranger to climb up the legde while your brother by blood is hanging to it only narrowly?
It's not elitism, it's just the right thing to do.
It's the only thing to do.

Your continued repitition of slippery slope arguments and denunciation of anything the West has given the East or vice versa is a constant source of irritated amusement for me.

Good luck without cars, internet, medicines/vaccines, etc.

And now you're threatening me with stating that I ought to be your slave just because you give me these playthings?
Just for your information: we do not need your cars, nor your internet, nor you medicine. We've been a great nation before, and we will continue to be so in the future. Even those who are small and downtrodden nations have some shred of national pride to tell you to fuck off if you were to threaten them with "You have to give me your oil(or any national resource, or simply accept forced alignment) cheap, or no more internet/SUV's/vaccines!"
Not to lump every nation of the west together with the artificial, mongrel nation of the US, that thinks that they can buy off the world with these, but in general, your outlook of the world is defined by how much material goods you can individually acquire. And you are ready to sell your souls if you were required to do so.
And you believe that everyone is like you in that regard. Well, I'm not. You can have your cars, internet, medicine. You don't give it out for free anyways to tell me that I ought not to complain about it. Well, I'm not. And I would have still been proud to call myself a Turk even if I were without a home, or a piece of bread to chew on. This is what you people lack. And this is why you will crumble, while we will live on, as we have done for millenia.

PS - global society doesn't mean "hive mind."

No, it doesn't. For a hive mind is still much better in comparison with what we will endure if this global society of yours sees real application in the future. But I guess that mankind only moves forward with trial-error applications and people have to see the horrors that this global society will bring upon smaller, less advanced or simply broken apart, but great nations to grow out of it, and start fighting back.
We as a nation, oppose the imperialist agenda of globalism.
I'm fairly certain that most nations around the earth do so.

It's hard to have a hive mind when the earth is made up of thinking individuals.

If those individuals all think the same, then it's quite the hive mind in my opinion. Obviously, they cannot, but they can very well be motivated by the same thing-materialism. And I'm certain that no global power that lords over the entire mankind can fulfill the materialistic desires of billions of individuals, so this global society is a failed attempt to bring about stability from the start. In fact, it disregards reality, and spawns only chaos-as we've seen throughout the time from the death of the Soviet union to the present day.

Is that a problem in Turkey? Is the adherence to Nation and Family so strong that y'all can't think for yourselves?

It's now slowly being undermined by creeping materialism. And this is why that our nation now is ruled by mongrels and bad politicians, who are mere puppets of western powers. The people ought to take up their weapons and hang these traitors at the gallows, but are thinking "too much" about themselves, not "for themselves" for if they were able to think for themselves, they would bring about national unity and consciousness to glorify our name as it was glorified before, when the Turk was the master of her own.

Quit projecting your fears onto our future. The world is what you make it - the quality of your thoughts shape the quality of your ability to give to the rest of the world.

The world has given me nothing, that I ought to give something back to it.
I only adhere to the earth, not to the rest of non-kin that live on it.
Do you really believe that the west cares deeply about what happens to us? If we were to suddenly disappear tomorrow, neither you, nor anyone else on this forum would shed a single tear. Nor do I expect you to do so.

And I said "increasing" - problems don't get solved overnight and there are too many people like you still around to hold coherent discussions about doing what's best for everyone and not just your isolated state.

Your proposed solution to these problems will come when mankind is of one race, one creed, one religion, one nation, one culture, and one single language. And I really wonder how you're going to bring this about while thousands of years of human history could not.