going a way for a few day but will answer a few of these. I will try and answer the rest if I have time/Lord willing.
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[quote]I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if it would answer my question (I know, I could watch it right now, but...). I still think you would get stepped on, but I'm not promoting vigilanteism if that's what you're thinking.[/quote] If you get time I think it can been see on netflix.
[quote]Then why do we need to confess to god at all? Wouldn't he already know?[/quote]Religion says that. The bible say we must repent from our sins. To repent is not to 'confess' or even stop sinning.. It is the turning from a want to sin or desire to not sin. That and forgiving others are the two big changes we have to strive to make in our lives. that means we must openly and honestly identify all sins in our lives, so we can turn from them.
[quote]If that is true, then belief and worship shouldn't be necessary. If our heart is in the right place, it shouldn't matter.[/quote]If your heart is truly in the right place you can not help But to believe and worship (Speaking from experience) Your heart will learn to ache to worship and show your belief.
[quote]The hell thing was just a general statement. You felt empty and needed something to fill the void: god. The thing is, A/S/K sometimes creates the illusion of actually working because if people try hard enough and for long enough, they can will themselves into believing almost anything. [/quote]Only for a time.
[quote]A dream or vague emotion that would be written off as completely normal is then interpreted as a sign from god. However, an unambiguous sign (outside a dream, and dreams to to contain images and ideas that are on one's own mind) will never manifest.[/quote]
Messenger/Message is a thread i did sharing one such 'unambiguous sign." http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
[quote]First, you say god gave you the dream but you have no way of knowing this is true[/quote]The reason I knew this was not from me is because there were aspects of Hell and the final judgement being protrayed that I knew nothing about or simply did not understand till I did more reasearch.
[quote] (you even put evidence is quotation marks). If you are looking for a god, any god, regardless of existnence or no, you will eventually find something you can call a sign, even if other, more plausible, explanations are available.[/quote] the reason I quoted 'evidence' is because it was not meant to be generally accepted as 'evidence.' this was my 'evidence.'
[quote]So you seem confident that the kid got an actual message from god, then. So tell me this: every year there are people who kill someone and claim that god told them it had to be done. They are disbelieved only on the account that their act was violent. If they claimed that god had told them to do something else, they would have been believed. How do you know that they really didn't take out one of satan's minions for god? I bet you'll say they didn't, but then why is their story not believeable? They have just as much evidence as you do.[/quote]Because the message they Got does not coinside with what the Holy Spirit has revealed in the bible. We are told that God will not contradict Himself by giving you a command that countermands scripture. there are many deceiving spirits who claim to be God. (That is how many 'prophets' believe they have talked with God.) When I took my experience and looked up someof the things i experienced they were confirmed by the bible, and did not contradict what was written.
[quote]There was a thread on which of god's attributes were actually put into humans, and which weren't. I don't believe that this would fall into that category. http://atheistforums.org/thread-15028.ht...e+a+retard
Also, you may have had an inkling that it would end badly, but you didn't know it for a fact.[/quote]after 5 years of this you know. without doubt.
[quote]Creating humans only to kill 99.9%+ of them is on a whole other level from what you said.[/quote]was it only humans God killed?
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[hide][quote='Drich' pid='344391' dateline='1349211986']
[quote]I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if it would answer my question (I know, I could watch it right now, but...). I still think you would get stepped on, but I'm not promoting vigilanteism if that's what you're thinking.[/quote] If you get time I think it can been see on netflix.
[quote]Then why do we need to confess to god at all? Wouldn't he already know?[/quote]Religion says that. The bible say we must repent from our sins. To repent is not to 'confess' or even stop sinning.. It is the turning from a want to sin or desire to not sin. That and forgiving others are the two big changes we have to strive to make in our lives. that means we must openly and honestly identify all sins in our lives, so we can turn from them.
[quote]If that is true, then belief and worship shouldn't be necessary. If our heart is in the right place, it shouldn't matter.[/quote]If your heart is truly in the right place you can not help But to believe and worship (Speaking from experience) Your heart will learn to ache to worship and show your belief.
[quote]The hell thing was just a general statement. You felt empty and needed something to fill the void: god. The thing is, A/S/K sometimes creates the illusion of actually working because if people try hard enough and for long enough, they can will themselves into believing almost anything. [/quote]Only for a time.
[quote]A dream or vague emotion that would be written off as completely normal is then interpreted as a sign from god. However, an unambiguous sign (outside a dream, and dreams to to contain images and ideas that are on one's own mind) will never manifest.[/quote]
Messenger/Message is a thread i did sharing one such 'unambiguous sign." http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
[quote]First, you say god gave you the dream but you have no way of knowing this is true[/quote]The reason I knew this was not from me is because there were aspects of Hell and the final judgement being protrayed that I knew nothing about or simply did not understand till I did more reasearch.
[quote] (you even put evidence is quotation marks). If you are looking for a god, any god, regardless of existnence or no, you will eventually find something you can call a sign, even if other, more plausible, explanations are available.[/quote] the reason I quoted 'evidence' is because it was not meant to be generally accepted as 'evidence.' this was my 'evidence.'
[quote]So you seem confident that the kid got an actual message from god, then. So tell me this: every year there are people who kill someone and claim that god told them it had to be done. They are disbelieved only on the account that their act was violent. If they claimed that god had told them to do something else, they would have been believed. How do you know that they really didn't take out one of satan's minions for god? I bet you'll say they didn't, but then why is their story not believeable? They have just as much evidence as you do.[/quote]Because the message they Got does not coinside with what the Holy Spirit has revealed in the bible. We are told that God will not contradict Himself by giving you a command that countermands scripture. there are many deceiving spirits who claim to be God. (That is how many 'prophets' believe they have talked with God.) When I took my experience and looked up someof the things i experienced they were confirmed by the bible, and did not contradict what was written.
[quote]There was a thread on which of god's attributes were actually put into humans, and which weren't. I don't believe that this would fall into that category. http://atheistforums.org/thread-15028.ht...e+a+retard
Also, you may have had an inkling that it would end badly, but you didn't know it for a fact.[/quote]after 5 years of this you know. without doubt.
[quote]Creating humans only to kill 99.9%+ of them is on a whole other level from what you said.[/quote]was it only humans God killed?
