Divine Inspiration

[Drich]

Well...thou shalt not lie is not a commandment. Gossip can hurt people and mere anger, if it is never acted upon, is only hurtful to the person holding it. Also, are white lies immoral if they are told to emotionally protect someone? It is debatable.

Which is why your 'morality' fails as a true standard. Because even in some cultures simply holding a grudge is an immoral act. In God's standard these sins have been likened to the worst sins one can commit. Since God is judgeing your eternal fate (and not your peers) then it is to His standard you will be judged and not the ones you favor.

As for the bolded, you still have no evidence to support that claim.

If you 'hide' something then there is no reason for me to seek it. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

Just because people are imperfect doesn't make their morals a 'crap standard'.

What makes anything a crap standard is it's subjectablity to change. A Meter is a standard a gallon is a standard a Miniute, Hour, Mile or Kilometer is a standard. These "Measures" Are Not Subject to Change. "alot" is a crap measure of volume or weight, a "ways or a little while" is a crap way of measuring distance. Why? Because these 'measures' are subject to constant change, just like your understanding of Morality.

Maybe people are deviating from morality, has that not ever occured to you?

No Never!! Why? Because My 'morality' much like you own changes with what I do so I may justify my actions inorder to see myself as a Good Person. My Self Righteousness like your self Righteousness knows no bounds.

However God's Righteousness grounds my efforts and I see all of my short commings for what they are. While under going this Conviction of my sin I see no otherway to justify myself before a holy and righteous God other than to seek attonement. It is only through attonement that I finally become worthy even in my sinful selfrighteousness. Or as you perfer "Morality."

That was obvious sarcasm. If everyone thinks of themself as a terrible person...

Then they would seek redemption rather than try and justify their sins with self righteousness that demands a lowering of the bar.

well it's obvious why that would have negative effects.

I could see how going to Heaven would be negitive to someone looking to seperate themselves from God.

Think of The Scarlet Letter. Would you really want to live in a society like that?

Do you really think that if everyone is an admitted sinful person anyone could be in a position to judge another?

Is that society really more moral than ours? (Rhetorical:No it is not)

Why? Because self righteousness in the name of Christ is no better than the self righteouness you believe you have obtained that absolves you from needing Christ. No matter who weilds self righteousness, it is always a crap standard.

It's the stock answer for when people can't explain god's actions. Like here:http://www.whydoesntgodhealamputees.com/god4.htm

If you want an answer then YOU ask the question.

Agreed, one should do what is right on principle, not just because god says so. If god orders something immoral, you need to have the courage to resist it. After all, how do we know that he doesn't deliberately do bad things to see who is brave enough to stand up for what is right?

How can you use a crap standard to judge a command of God immoral? How do we know that you have simply not "moved the goal post" to demonize a standard of God?

If you understand him so well them why don't you explain why he allowed the holocaust?

Which one? There were several All of the ones in the past pointed to the dicipline of Israel. If you are referring to the last one I would think that it was a answer to a long standing prayer of the Jews. Now before you say something stupid or disrespectful about the Jews, ask yourself what has every Jew since 70AD till 1948 prayed for? What would every Devoute Jew gladly give their lives for that lived from that time till this, that was answered as a direct result of all who had suffered and died at the hands of evil men?
(Did He disappoint you with that answer? I am impressed. )

Especially when Hitler evoked his name in doing it. Hitler's religious views, and religious quotes from him

Actually no. Himler was all abot the religions and not just Christianity. He would invoke any 'god' that might help him gain an edge. Which was the reason the the swastica, the "SS" runes and the Death's Head on all of their elite troops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_v...olf_Hitler

Define 'given'.

John (The owner of a very large company who I have only met in passing once or twice EVER):
" Hey, "Drich" Something in side of me is telling me I should support you and set you up with some money so you can do what God has lead you to do. How much do you need to get started?

Me: What? Me? started in what?

John: I'm not sure, but I know you to be a man of intergerity, and I know you have been given vision, and I want to support you in what it is you want to do. Know I am not giveing you this money it is a loan, one you must pay back in 2 years so don't ask what you can pay back.

Me: Let me talk to my wife and I will let you know.

I talked with my wife and prayed about it. It would take 50K to start a ministry I wanted to do, and 30K to start a refrigeration business. 3 days later We asked for 50K on the 2nd or 3rd time I ever met this man and He wrote a check for 25K, I cashed it, and went into business. Paid back the loan inside a year and have given everything we can back to God minus a hand ful of indulgences and living expences. As a result my buisness has doubled every year since we started (Even in this down economy.) For 5 years and then took on a Brand name refrigeration system, and 3 years after that I have been 'promoted' with in the company as one of 3 engineers who have completely changed My industry in a very big way. (which is the reason for my recent business trips.) These new refrigeration systems are catching national attention as they are the only truly 'green' systems in this industry. (which is the Power ball lottery ticket I was talking about) All to someone who should not have graduated High school let alone be in the position I am currently in.

If the guy gave you lottery numbers and those won, that would be one thing. However, if you have acquired wealth through other methods, then I don't know if that proves anything.

For you, my expereinces should mean absolutly nothing. What i have experienced is MY 'Proof' That sustains MY Faith. The Only reason I have shared my story with you is because the promise I cashed in on is also avaiable to you. All you need is the faith of a mustard seed to start the process.

Fianances? I meant that you could have misremembered him as predicing something that later happened that he didn't actually mention.

I was told to write this story down a day or so after this all happened. Nothing has changed.

Again this is not proof for you. It is my proof. If you want proof you must walk your own path with God.

Well, that leaves us with two options. Either you really are lying and just admitted you made it ambiguous to be more believable (not an accusation, just an observation of a possibility) or you misremembered. Again, why does god value belief without proof over worship? He has no reason not to give proof of his existence.

God has given you this life to make your own choice. If you choose God He will help eastablish a Faith in you and help you sustain it. If you do not choose God then you will be given enough doubt in everything you see and hear to perserve your choice in eternity. If God has seen fit to give this to you then who am I to try and convince you of anything? This is not my Job. I am only to answer the questions that I can. I have done so and that means the rest of the responsiablity of what you have learned is between you and God.

Missionaries go to Africa...so does the peace corps, and the peace corps doesn't say god told them to. (I don't even know if many missionaries say that) The fact is, the problem is still there. Jesus fed the hungry, but god is relatively apathetic about the Africans.

It seems you are apathetic about the Africans. As You are the one who see a Needs there and does little besides blame God for His appearent apathy.. Even after He has charged us with the complete care of this world and everyone/thing in it.

No as in, yes it isn't a cotradiciton, or no as in he didn't order genocide? Genocide in the bible If you don't believe the site, then look up those passages referenced in an actual bible.

No as in I have studied the bible and do not see anything in the bible that would say God is not allowed to command that an entire race of people be killed.

So, if I understand you correctly, god knew that the path he was on would end up in dissapointment...but he didn't change anything.

Noope.

And I am supposed to assume that he had a good reason for going against his own will?

Where did He go against His own will?
It seems you assume too much about God.