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How do I know the things I know?
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RE: How do I know the things I know?
(October 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This is like saying if free-will was observable, then no one would disbelieve in free-will.

Yet most of humanity believes free-will is observable through our own experience of it.

Yet there exists people whom disbelieve in free-will.

Do you conclude on this basis free-will is not observable?

Thinking You actually bring up an interesting point. I take 'reveal' not to simply mean doing something that is observable, but in fact something that should be attributed to him. If god wanted to 'reveal' himself, he would not do something that would be ambiguous. Free will has yet to be truly defined; how much control does one need to be 'free'? We cannot even begin to guess, as our mental processes are so complex that we can't tell.
George Yorgo Veenhuyzen Wrote:"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
Thanks again to teaearlgreyhot's sig
At this point, free will is indistinguishable from lack of it (we at least have the illusion of it), but if god truly were to 'reveal' himself, he would not act in a way indistinguishable from a totally normal event.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Minimalist - October 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 5, 2012 at 10:34 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Minimalist - October 5, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Shell B - October 5, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Zevaeros - October 5, 2012 at 11:29 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Shell B - October 5, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 6, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 7, 2012 at 2:02 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 7, 2012 at 2:19 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 7, 2012 at 2:49 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 7, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 7, 2012 at 2:28 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Whateverist - October 7, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 7, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by MysticKnight - October 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 8, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 8, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Angrboda - October 27, 2012 at 4:22 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Edwardo Piet - October 25, 2012 at 4:32 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Shell B - October 6, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 6, 2012 at 1:47 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by cratehorus - October 6, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Simon Moon - October 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Cyberman - October 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by liam - October 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Minimalist - October 6, 2012 at 1:40 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Annik - October 6, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Shell B - October 6, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 7, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2012 at 12:21 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2012 at 10:07 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Edwardo Piet - October 24, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 24, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Cyberman - October 25, 2012 at 4:51 am
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by IATIA - October 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: How do I know the things I know? - by Darkstar - October 25, 2012 at 7:40 pm

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