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What is heaven?
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RE: What is heaven?
(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: A few points:

I think the word "gap" in the expression "God of the gaps" is euphemistic.

The simple fact is, science can't claim to know where life comes from. It doesn't know.

If I'm walking down the road, and there's a little gap in the sidewalk, ok, no biggie, I can just hop over that and be on my way.

But if I'm walking down the road and all of a sudden there's a thousand mile canyon in my path, that's a big deal.

Why is the origin of life considered a "gap"? I say it's a huge canyon. It means science can't explain a huge, fundamental question. Calling it a "gap" is like pretending science can answer a question that it can't.

What makes you think that science can't answer the question. As a matter of fact, science does have an answer. We may not know enough to say for certain that it is the correct answer, but it is the most rational one out there.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: The reality is that it's the type of knowledge gap/canyon that problematizes the entire conception that the universe and existence is a self-generating phenomenon and that life can be reduced to purely chemical phenomenon.

No, it doesn't. The conception of the universe and reduction of life to a chemical phenomenon would be independent problems.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: Next point: That doesn't "prove God exists." Gaps, and even canyons, in scientific knowledge don't prove anything except maybe something about the limits of scientific knowledge.

No, they don't tell you the limits of scientofic knowledge, rather the direction in which it needs to grow.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: The point is more like this: There isn't a clear atheistic answer for the origin of life. There are guesses, hopes, dreams, speculations - not answers.

Yes, there is. We simply don't like to push it because we are not certain of it yet.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: There's a clear theistic answer for the origin of life. Why automatically push a theistic answer off the table when atheists don't have a better one?

Because it's bullshit. We don't need to have the correct answer to know that you have the wrong one.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: You don't have to read every children's coloring book on the market to know that Shakespeare is more sophisticated than all of them put together.

Yes, you do. Otherwise you can't "know" it. You can only speculate that it is more sophisticated..

(October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: It's your faith in the "reality you live in" that allows you to know this.

I don't need faith in the "reality I live in". My reason doesn't allow any space for faith.
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What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Something completely different - October 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Aroura - October 17, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 13, 2012 at 5:14 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 14, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 14, 2012 at 5:39 am
RE: What is heaven? - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 5:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 6:00 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 4:48 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Whateverist - October 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 13, 2012 at 8:03 am
RE: What is heaven? - by MysticKnight - October 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by festive1 - October 15, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by jonb - October 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 4:51 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 4:55 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Brian37 - October 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Norfolk And Chance - October 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 16, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Welsh cake - October 13, 2012 at 8:14 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Whateverist - October 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Nine - October 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 13, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 14, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 15, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Something completely different - October 15, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm

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