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Failed Biblical Prophecies
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies
(October 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
Joshua 3:7-10 And the Lord said to Joshua, “Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses. 8 Tell the priests who carry the ark of the covenant: ‘When you reach the edge of the Jordan’s waters, go and stand in the river.’”

9 Joshua said to the Israelites, “Come here and listen to the words of the Lord your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites.

Joshua 15:63 Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah.
The Jebusites, who are identical with the Hittites, derived their name from the city of Jebus, the ancient Jerusalem, which they inhabited. Within their territory lay the cave of Machpelah, which Abraham wished to buy. But they said to him: "We know that God will give this country to your descendants. Now, if you will make a covenant with us that Israel will not take the city of Jebus against the will of its inhabitants, we will cede to you the cave and will give you a bill of sale." Abraham, who was very anxious to obtain this holy burial-place, thereupon made a covenant with the Jebusites, who engraved its contents on bronze. When the people of Israel came into the promised land they could not conquer Jebus (comp. Judges i. 21) because the bronze figures, with Abraham's covenant engraved thereon, were standing in the center of the city.

The same was the case later with King David, to whom the Jebusites said: "You can not enter the city of Jebus until you have destroyed the bronze figures on which Abraham's covenant with our ancestors is engraved." David thereupon promised a captaincy to the person who should destroy the figures; and Joab secured the prize (comp. II Sam. v. 6; I Chron. xi. 6). David then took the city of Jebus from its owners; the right of appeal to the covenant with Abraham had been forfeited by them through the war they had waged against Joshua; and after the figures themselves had been destroyed, David had not to fear even that the people would reproach him with having broken the covenant. Nevertheless he paid the inhabitants in coin the full value of the city (comp. II Sam. xxiv. 24; I Chron. xxi. 25), collecting the money from all the tribes of Israel; so that the Holy City became their common property (Pirḳe R. El. xxxvi.; comp. David Luria's notes in his commentary ad loc.; on the money paid for Jerusalem, comp. Midr. Shemu'el xxxii., beginning; Sifre, Num. 42; Zeb. 16b).

According to a midrash quoted by Rashi on II Sam. v. 6, the Jebusites had in their city two figures—one of a blind person, representing Isaac, and one of a lame person, representing Jacob—and these figures had in their mouths the words of the covenant made between Abraham and the Jebusites.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...-jebusites



Quote:Here, god states "Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses." In other words, god is with him. Then god says "This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites." Therefore, if god is with them, these peoples will be driven out. But then it goes on to say "Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah." There are only three possibilites: god lied to him and was not with him; god was incapable of stopping the Jebusites; or this is a biblical contradiction.
There is a fourth possiablity. The nation of Israel is divided into 12 nations. Judah and the tribe of benjamin, where made to honor the covenant of Aberham. the other 10 tribes laid waste to all the other peoples mentioned. God stood with the other 10 tribes as promised and honored the agreement Aberham made through the tribes of Juda and Benjamin.

Quote:Well, we can ruke out god's failure as he is omnipotent and could not possibly fail at anything. As for god's lying:
Hebrews 6:18 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.
and
Numbers 23:19-20 19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
20 I have received a command to bless;
he has blessed, and I cannot change it.
So god lying is out of the question. Therefore, the only remaining choice is that this is a contradiction.
This is the crux to the failure of your arguement. You have presupposed the reason the reason the judeans could not cast out the Jebusites . (that and perhaps you did not understand how the nation of Israel was divided into tribes repersenting each of the sons of Jacob, and that juda was only one of those tribes.)
Because God's promise was honored in every other region with every other tribe in which the promise of Aberham did not appply.

What else you got?
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Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 1:43 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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